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Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD Send a noteboard - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM
I haven't followed the entire thread, but it occurs to me that one way for Rand to find two powerful women to link with while drawing the True Power, would be if the body swap theory between him and Moridin turns out to be true.

Then Rand will find himself in Moridin's body, with the cour'souvra in his possession, and thus have access to total control over the mindtrapped Cyndane and Moghedien - also the two women who are the most powerful in Tel Arhan Rhiod, as it happens.

He could then surrender completely while still being fully in control of them, through their mindtraps, and link to draw the True Power.

Just a thought. Not saying this is going to happen, but it merely answers the question of how Rand could find two submissive females to link with to draw on the True Power.

Callandor draws Saidin. I don't see how it could be used to channel the True Power any more than it could be used to channel Saidar.

Having dismissively dismissed that, though:

Moghedien was captured and forced to teach the DL's enemies; so was Asmodean. Lanfer died in the line of villainy; so did Aginor, Balthamel, and Osan'gar.

Many of the Black Ajah have experienced failure to some degree. And according to Moghedien's POV thoughts in CoS25 ("Mindtrap" ),

Some things could only be done here, some only to those who could channel, and she had brought a number of men and women for this very purpose.

That's a lot of people who could have been mindtrapped. But the only two selected were the two strongest females. After reading your theory, it occurs to me that Moridin picked these two in case he gets hold of Callandor. It's well established that the Forsaken don't normally trust one another enough to link, but the mindtrap would provide Moridin the situation to make it acceptable.
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What's so special about Callandor? Sidious - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2167 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it beetnemesis - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1104 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1175 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1233 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1071 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1098 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1126 Views
Hmm.... Sidious - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1050 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 931 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 980 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 874 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 966 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 901 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* mogi67 - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 575 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1083 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1087 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 957 Views
Have to agree with you on this darius_sedai - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 938 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this DomA - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 912 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 816 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 800 Views
I actually don't see it that way darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 971 Views
depends how you look at it Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1020 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 748 Views
Re: depends how you look at it DomA - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 884 Views
Odds are you are correct darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 745 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 708 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 776 Views
That's not correct. Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 778 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1047 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 701 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1060 Views
You explantion is DomA - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 808 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 405 Views
RJ Quote: Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 769 Views
Exactly DomA - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1068 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 759 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 779 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 924 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 771 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 755 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 861 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 803 Views
Yep . Fanatic-Templar - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 778 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 893 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. LadyLorraine - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 877 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. Fanatic-Templar - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 687 Views
Sounds like the One Ring guttering flame - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 886 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben DomA - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1033 Views
No, I don't agree Sidious - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 985 Views
That makes no sense... fionwe1987 - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 819 Views
Re: That makes no sense... rosco12 - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 822 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 788 Views
He makes a good point though. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 816 Views
Yes, but... fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 765 Views
Re: Yes, but... Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 795 Views
I found a couple of quote rosco12 - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 977 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. Fanatic-Templar - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 806 Views
Re: That makes no sense... Sidious - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 934 Views
Re: That makes no sense... DomA - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1009 Views
Re: No, I don't agree DomA - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 980 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 874 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 982 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims MikeyMikeyMikey - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 802 Views
That's what I meant JasonD - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 916 Views
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