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That's exactly it darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM
... that if people die thousands of years after Rand's time, because of decisions made by people who lived long after his death, it's Rand's fault? Do you think the remnant of a remnant will live eternally then?


Honestly. Descendants happen when your people survive.

I'm referring to the possibility that the Remnant are a deliberately chosen group of people (as in SAVED). What happens to those who do not choose to follow the Dragon's Peace looks to be extinction. Their death is not the fault of the Dragon. It looks to be the fault of their choice to continue to deny their heritage as followers of The Way. Just as these people die in war the remnant and their descendants will live and thrive assuming they accept the Peace and stand aside from the war. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

But just in case, let's recap. Prophesy says the Aiel will be broken and destroyed EXCEPT for the remnant Rand will save. Aviendha's vision showed a large group of Aiel dying out due to fighting a war they could not win. This does not go against the Prophesy, as long as there are a remnant of the Aiel who do not participate in the war. If that remnant was saved by Rand (presumably because the chose to go back to The Way) then we have a viable reason Aviendha's vision is not false.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 1964 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1251 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 980 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 940 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 947 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 865 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 946 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1100 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 458 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 994 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1194 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 931 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 911 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 854 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1007 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 895 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1137 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 847 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 816 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 756 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 849 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 924 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 860 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 968 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 941 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 964 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 753 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 683 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 895 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 748 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 894 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 789 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 806 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 975 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 754 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 773 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 843 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 820 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 789 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 760 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 936 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 812 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 880 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 906 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 769 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 874 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 765 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 962 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 719 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 753 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 757 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 885 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 670 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 939 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 988 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 873 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 436 Views
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