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Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai Send a noteboard - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM
If you choose to define "the Aiel" in a way other than the accepted use of the term as referring to the tribal people from the Aiel Waste who share a similar culture and history, then you may attempt to do so, but it needs to be able to fulfill those two end results. For example, it must be a group of people preexisting at the time of Rand's actions as the Dragon Reborn, elsewise there is no remnant to save nor any portion to destroy, as it is impossible to divide by zero, nor to save people who don't exist, nor to destroy people who don't exist.

So for the sake of clarity, please answer these two questions:

1: Do you agree that the Rhuidean Prophecy states that He Who Comes With The Dawn will destroy "the Aiel" except for a remnant of a remnant whom he shall save?


Yes this is what was stated...

2: How do you define "the Aiel"?


The Aiel followed the way of the leaf, as the tinkers. But, they were charged with the task by the Aes Sedai to guard the Angreal, sa'angreal and the ter'angreal until the Aes Sedai could come for them. The only thing the tinkers did wrong was to abandon the angreal, sa'angreal and the ter'angreal. That was the task they were set to do, not what defined them. The Tuatha'an ARE Aiel. They just failed the Aes Sedai differently than the other Aiel. The Jenn were the only ones left that were "True Dedicated"

Rand broke the Aiel by announcing the truth of who they had been and what they had become.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 1801 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1023 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 812 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 761 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 775 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 696 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 772 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 887 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 377 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 786 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 966 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 745 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 742 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 674 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 781 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 708 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 957 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 647 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 639 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 577 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 647 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 757 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 678 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 795 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 754 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 774 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 595 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 550 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 739 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 571 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 691 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 592 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 617 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 795 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 572 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 576 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 659 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 654 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 609 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 588 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 773 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 626 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 700 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 726 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 601 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 673 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 602 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 743 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 557 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 567 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 549 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 711 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 494 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 738 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 805 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 694 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 338 Views
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