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He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM
So since the prophecy says that Rand will destroy the Aiel, except for the remnant of the remnant who will live, and you claim that said destruction comes from what we have seen in AViendha's vision, we come to the conclusion that:

1- You think it is fair to blame Rand for actions that were taken by others after his death that will lead to the extinction of the Aiel in thousands of years.
2- You believe that Aviendha's vision is unavoidable.

While I do not agree with either of these and maintain that the vision is therefore flawed, if you accept them, then you can indeed reconcile it with the Prophecies.


But what you clearly believe is that Rand must personally kill the Aiel. So Aviendha's vision is moot since Ramd will have slaughtered millions of Aiel all on his own.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2236 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1616 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1238 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1207 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1202 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1133 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1227 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1481 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 593 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1289 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1639 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1178 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1168 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1116 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1300 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1211 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1445 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1147 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 1067 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 1000 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1111 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1214 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1149 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1248 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1243 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1242 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 1026 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 922 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1143 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 1021 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1182 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 1042 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 1058 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1253 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 997 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 1025 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1083 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1101 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1059 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 1029 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1191 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1104 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1145 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1176 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 1032 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1109 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 1076 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1272 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 987 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 1027 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 967 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1150 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 926 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1212 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1260 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1147 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 565 Views
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