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He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM
So since the prophecy says that Rand will destroy the Aiel, except for the remnant of the remnant who will live, and you claim that said destruction comes from what we have seen in AViendha's vision, we come to the conclusion that:

1- You think it is fair to blame Rand for actions that were taken by others after his death that will lead to the extinction of the Aiel in thousands of years.
2- You believe that Aviendha's vision is unavoidable.

While I do not agree with either of these and maintain that the vision is therefore flawed, if you accept them, then you can indeed reconcile it with the Prophecies.


But what you clearly believe is that Rand must personally kill the Aiel. So Aviendha's vision is moot since Ramd will have slaughtered millions of Aiel all on his own.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2252 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1632 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1263 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1228 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1217 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1158 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1241 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1507 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 608 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1308 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1663 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1202 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1187 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1134 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1330 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1257 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1470 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1176 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 1088 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 1015 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1138 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1242 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1171 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1273 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1263 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1264 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 1056 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 940 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1164 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 1051 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1202 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 1073 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 1074 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1269 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 1015 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 1064 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1102 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1119 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1084 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 1046 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1215 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1118 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1170 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1189 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 1066 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1125 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 1095 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1288 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 1003 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 1052 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 981 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1169 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 942 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1231 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1281 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1169 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 582 Views
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