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He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM
So since the prophecy says that Rand will destroy the Aiel, except for the remnant of the remnant who will live, and you claim that said destruction comes from what we have seen in AViendha's vision, we come to the conclusion that:

1- You think it is fair to blame Rand for actions that were taken by others after his death that will lead to the extinction of the Aiel in thousands of years.
2- You believe that Aviendha's vision is unavoidable.

While I do not agree with either of these and maintain that the vision is therefore flawed, if you accept them, then you can indeed reconcile it with the Prophecies.


But what you clearly believe is that Rand must personally kill the Aiel. So Aviendha's vision is moot since Ramd will have slaughtered millions of Aiel all on his own.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 1989 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1353 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1011 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 962 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 977 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 889 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 975 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1149 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 469 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1020 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1257 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 958 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 931 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 880 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1030 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 923 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1171 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 874 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 844 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 782 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 874 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 946 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 887 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 996 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 964 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 987 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 779 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 711 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 919 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 772 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 920 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 810 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 826 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1005 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 773 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 798 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 871 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 852 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 812 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 791 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 959 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 839 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 908 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 930 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 792 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 900 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 787 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 988 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 742 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 782 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 778 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 912 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 694 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 961 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1011 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 901 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 446 Views
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