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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious Send a noteboard - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM
Maybe my old (well, dating back partly to TGS and partly to TOM, but I have like half a dozen contradictory ones) theory that Rand is using Callandor as a foil may be right, ie: he doesn't bring Callandor to use it, he brings Callandor so Shaidar Haran thinks he's gonna use it and seizes it. "Mwahh, ah, ah... just three of you and intending to touch me again, but allowing me to touch saidar too this time, you really thought this through!", then Rand does something, perhaps to Callandor instead of with Callandor, or something while Shaidar Haran uses Callandor (it it turns out the reason why it magnifies the taint is that unlike other san'angreal this one would work with the TP - kind of a long-shot, but its making is shabby. Could RJ have kept to himself there was also sabotage involved?).

I'm half serious with this (in the sense that's obviously missing a crucial element somewhere that could make it a viable theory - I get the feeling it would be really hard to figure it out anyway as I'm convinced RJ kept a key concept or key element from us at this point), but Min did had a viewing of a black (or dark) hand holding Callandor, so it's something the Light could anticipate happening.


Many people think that it refers to Moridin, but it could be any darkened hand... SH, Demandred, even Taim. I still stick by my original theory that the True Power is the secret to sealing the Bore. It is the only power that can deflect a retaliation by the Dark One. Moridin never planned to cross balefire with Rand, and I refuse to believe that Rand's ability to draw on the TP comes down to a coincidental accident at SL that the Shadow took advantage of. There's a greater purpose for his connection to Moridin. Maybe it only has to do with soul transfer at the last second, but it could very well be that the TP provides the mechanism for success. Maybe Rand won't use it directly, but he can perhaps give Moridin/SH such a fright that he buys some time to strike with finality.

I wonder if what's look like it could be a dagger at his side is a dagger, the dragon scepter or else if it could be the dagger-shaped ter'angreal that's supposed to hide someone from the Shadow. The possibilities for that one being used in another episode than at SG are not exhausted, but the possibilities have run out a little since Mat and Elayne are done with the gholam. I guess it could still be very useful to Mat during the LB if neither SH/the DO nor Shadowspawn can't see or sense him in any way (I doubt this works on human sworn to the DO like Forsaken).

I've also wondered whether that dagger will return, though I think it's cheating a bit. Surprise! Not really the Dragon's style, but I guess winning is winning.

I know the cover art don't prove anything but it at least made me think of this idea: Rand and Moraine/Nynaeve don't look one bit as if they've just seen battle. I guess there's really a possibility they are alone and there's no gigantic battle raging outside in the Valley as there was during LTT's Strike, that those three are there alone, or sneaked up there while Mat organize a diversion at the mouth of the valley, far from the mountain itself.


Indeed, though making them seem haggard would be a bit strange in a book dedicated to Rand's victory. That said, I think they will fight as arduously as their friends. I'm pretty sure Rand will personally kill some of the Forsaken, Nynaeve seems to be on a collision course with Graendal, and Moiraine's angreal has an obvious purpose. It does seem, however, that Rand will break away with the two women at some point and Travel to SG to finish it. There is something missing as you say, but Rand will tell us about that in due course.

Another little detail to which you will know the answer for sure (though I suspect I know it if I remember correctly a mention by Rhavin or Sammael): can Rand even lead in that circle or must one of the two women lead?

He cannot, it must be led by a woman. I find this to be a serious reason as to why this circle may not happen. I can't believe that Rand will merely be part of a circle and that Nynaeve, or worse Moiraine, will seal the DO away. He could lead the circle if he links with one of them, but then Callandor will remain unstable as it requires two women to stabilize the missing buffer.

Just saying, because we know Moiraine considers herself fairly weak/clumsy with at least two flows (Earth and Fire) and RJ described Nynaeve as very specialized and lacking in the other areas outside the healing weaves (though we know she can be fairly precise/delicate). Of course, at this point neither of them has any experience using saidin in a mixed gender circle either.

Unless it doesn't come down to the Power at all. It may be all about trust, and Rand more than hinted at it when he asked Nynaeve. Her strength and abilities had little to do with it. Even if it does come down to the Power, their role in a circle with him will merely be to stabilize Callandor, though one of them will have to lead. Moiraine is a poor choice if it comes down to skill and ability - she's one of the weakest Aes Sedai around and noticibly poor in Earth and Fire, which strengthens the theory that one of those women is Egwene, overall the most naturally talented female channelers around.

Another interesting tidbit: we might want to start considering new possibilities for how Alivia is supposed to help Rand die, since she's now ruled out as the second woman at the Pit.

Either Rand has already gone through death, or it's not at the Pit at all he will die. Always possible Alivia think of something that will inspire Rand, but she never striked me as much of a thinker and more like a doer...

I personally think this is one of those visions that will be rather underwhelming. It will come down to illusion and deception that will allow Alivia to fake Rand's death. Her knowledge of the Power is almost absent, so I find it unlikely she will perform something unbelievable like swapping Rand's soul or the like, unless she learns something rapidly in AMOL.

On another note, I have to agree with Fionwe about Egwene. I honestly think she's a closer parallel to Rand than Nynaeve was. Nynaeve has been the wild card of the series since the beginning. She was the one who didn't want to leave, she couldn't channel properly and she's got the unique Talent of Healing. She's a furious woman who's chosen marriage and struggles with duty.

Egwene and Rand have far more parallels. They both left the village together and voluntarily and both started on parallel destinies centered around leadership. Both were tutored by the Aiel, and grew to become some of the most skilled channelers alive. They are both strong in all the Powers which is exceedingly rare. They share a common affliction based on incarceration - Rand is claustrophobic due to the red ajah and Egwene because she was damane. They are both headstrong etc etc... I've never thought of Nynaeve/Rand as a team even though they worked together often. A lot of that pairing was centered around Nynaeve's power and because Egwene was absent and doing other things, but that is over and I think we're going to see the true alliance blooming for the second book. Yes, Nynaeve is going to be there, but I think Egwene and Rand for the first time are going to become an enormously powerful team.

I also agree with Fionwe that Egwene will take a personal role in the Last Battle. She's never shirked away from conflict, and even before Mesaana she tried to fight Aginor and she used the Power as a weapon against Couladin much to Moiraine's disapproval. Things have changed - she is the Amyrlin now and that is possibly irresponsible, but at the same time its also irrelevant because she's a human being fighting for survival in the great battle of an age against extinction. I think both of these aspects will play out. She's going to sit on a distant hill surrounded by the Hall commanding her armies, but at some stage everything will go to hell (thanks to Demandred, of this I am sure), and she will lead them all down into the center of the fray to battle. I find it unlikely to impossible that she's going to be a remote general and figurehead while every other main character is fighting and dying. She won't die, but she's going to show us a display similar to the one against the Seanchan.
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The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM 5431 Views
It's pretty damn cool. - 03/05/2012 03:59:36 PM 3068 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 04:08:09 PM 3136 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 04:17:19 PM 3128 Views
the pit of doom is hot - 12/06/2012 01:57:18 AM 2652 Views
I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. - 03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM 3188 Views
yes. I sincerely doubt she has that kind of competency - 03/05/2012 05:52:22 PM 3075 Views
Re: I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. - 04/05/2012 11:10:49 AM 2913 Views
Heh - Cannoli-baiting *NM* - 04/05/2012 04:46:51 PM 2204 Views
*NM* - 05/05/2012 09:04:15 PM 2123 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 05:06:19 PM 2801 Views
I really like it - 03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM 3094 Views
The sword grip is not akward or wrong - 03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM 2802 Views
something like this? - 03/05/2012 06:46:59 PM 3444 Views
Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!) - 04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM 2795 Views
oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward. - 04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM 2803 Views
Me, too! - 12/05/2012 01:18:06 AM 2907 Views
Well... - 03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM 3214 Views
I think it is EG and Nyn - 03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM 2897 Views
Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn - 03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM 2900 Views
Yeah... - 03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM 2856 Views
when did Nynaeve cut her hair? - 08/05/2012 07:33:04 PM 4558 Views
It was burned off during her testing for the shawl. - 12/06/2012 02:53:43 AM 3719 Views
Egwene is a distinct possibility... - 03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM 2973 Views
She is - 04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM 3079 Views
I don't know... - 04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM 2790 Views
Re: I don't know... - 04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM 3082 Views
I'm not disagreeing with most of that... - 08/05/2012 02:58:53 AM 2725 Views
"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!" - 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM 2967 Views
What books have you been reading? - 11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM 2980 Views
I agree - 11/05/2012 02:51:38 PM 3064 Views
The other quotes you requested, as promised. - 13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM 2994 Views
You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting... - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM 2699 Views
Agreed - 13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM 2771 Views
Exactly... - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM 2727 Views
Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong. - 14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM 2796 Views
- 14/05/2012 04:23:21 AM 2690 Views
Re- - 21/05/2012 02:43:49 AM 3186 Views
Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM 2819 Views
Then she wouldn't be a "protagonist" - 14/05/2012 04:38:34 AM 2703 Views
Again, I never said she is or will become evil. - 21/05/2012 03:03:32 AM 2910 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM 2900 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 21/05/2012 03:28:48 AM 2690 Views
For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM 2909 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM 3108 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 06:41:32 AM 2844 Views
Yeah... - 14/05/2012 07:47:16 AM 2888 Views
Re: Yeah... - 14/05/2012 04:40:49 PM 2960 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 21/05/2012 06:21:48 AM 2856 Views
Look at their foreheads - 16/05/2012 08:38:51 AM 2947 Views
Re: I think it is EG and Nyn - 03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM 2916 Views
I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM 2694 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM 2950 Views
Idea - 04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM 2837 Views
Re: Idea - 04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM 2859 Views
Or.... - 04/05/2012 12:19:16 PM 2716 Views
This would explain the hidden hand - 04/05/2012 08:54:00 PM 2839 Views
That's a good point. - 04/05/2012 08:59:41 PM 3049 Views
Nah... - 07/05/2012 01:56:13 PM 2892 Views
Can you draw a blade - 08/05/2012 06:00:28 AM 2850 Views
It depens on the construction of the scabbard - 10/05/2012 01:36:30 PM 2757 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM 1920 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 04/05/2012 07:42:12 PM 3019 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM 2763 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 07/05/2012 09:32:45 PM 3172 Views
Thanks! *NM* - 13/05/2012 10:56:06 AM 2758 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM 2704 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 07:36:09 PM 2892 Views
It's his left hand Rand lost *NM* - 03/05/2012 08:00:01 PM 2143 Views
Thanks for the imput! *NM* - 03/05/2012 08:24:59 PM 2515 Views
I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine - 03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM 2846 Views
Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... - 03/05/2012 11:44:50 PM 2974 Views
Re: Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... - 03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM 3796 Views
Am I the only one who sees the red dot in her forehead? *NM* - 09/05/2012 08:36:53 PM 2216 Views
looks *$%$%*@ great *NM* - 04/05/2012 02:47:00 AM 2264 Views
i quite like it! as far as the women go... - 04/05/2012 06:38:10 PM 2954 Views
No Maidens of the Spear - 05/05/2012 05:09:27 PM 2895 Views
Re: No Maidens of the Spear - 07/05/2012 02:02:36 PM 3026 Views
nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM* - 08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM 2043 Views
Nyn cut her braid off. *NM* - 08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM 2292 Views
I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM* - 08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM 1161 Views
I don't remember this at all *NM* - 08/05/2012 07:51:04 PM 2297 Views
Regarding the identities of the women on the back: - 09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM 3160 Views
What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture? *NM* - 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM 2226 Views
A misplaced logo? *NM* - 10/05/2012 08:24:52 AM 2155 Views
Possibly one of the Seals? - 11/05/2012 01:42:13 AM 2770 Views
agreed - 10/05/2012 07:16:39 AM 2911 Views
Partially concur - 10/05/2012 01:17:31 PM 2681 Views
She's in the Pit of F*ing Doom. Ben Stein would be excited *NM* - 12/05/2012 04:22:44 AM 1112 Views
i agree with the big about how Moiraine should be depicted - 12/05/2012 11:04:53 PM 1802 Views
you can see a second weapon in Rand's belt too - 13/05/2012 08:51:34 PM 1744 Views
That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers - 26/06/2012 07:37:29 AM 1512 Views

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