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Exactly... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM

I'm kind of shocked that anyone thinks that Egwene is in for a fall in the last book. She's going to be one of the principle protagonists.

Just because she doesn't agree with Rand doesn't mean she's in for the plunge. That's a very simplistic way of looking at her character.

The list of people who disagreed with Rand includes Nynaeve, Min, Aviendha, Elayne, Cadsuane, Lan, Moiraine, Perrin... are we sensing a Pattern here yet?

We know for a fact that there have been previous turnings where the Pattern has set a counter to the Dragon soul. That counter was Hawkwing, who has worked with the Dragon as many times as he has opposed him.

What people don't seem to get is that opposition to the Dragon is not a sign of evil.

I'm not saying that Egwene's soul is also a counter the Wheel has used many times (I don't think she's LPD reborn, for example). But she certainly is being used as such at this point. And she has several Parallels with Hawkwing, too.

What mystifies me is that these people don't seem to pick on the respect Egwene and Rand display for each other in ToM. Are they set on a collision course? Sure. Are they exasperated by each other? Sure. Do they show respect for what the other has become? Yes!

These aren't rivals in a power play. These are allies who disagree. FoM is going to be nowhere close to the acrimonious battle of wills so many people are expects (even hoping).

And all signs point to them soon learning to work together, and Egwene being involved in Rand's "death". In many ways, the Seals debate is a distraction. I'm not even entirely sure Brandon didn't invent it to give a convenient end point to ToM, and that the real FoM debate was supposed to be about the Seanchan and the Dragon's Peace.
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The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Nate - 03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM 5625 Views
It's pretty damn cool. Stephen - 03/05/2012 03:59:36 PM 3202 Views
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the pit of doom is hot alanna aes sedai - 12/06/2012 01:57:18 AM 2782 Views
I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. Tweak - 03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM 3309 Views
yes. I sincerely doubt she has that kind of competency LadyLorraine - 03/05/2012 05:52:22 PM 3225 Views
Re: I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. Vidarfe - 04/05/2012 11:10:49 AM 3051 Views
Heh - Cannoli-baiting *NM* HousealThor - 04/05/2012 04:46:51 PM 2282 Views
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Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Bored - 03/05/2012 05:06:19 PM 2923 Views
I really like it LadyLorraine - 03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM 3212 Views
The sword grip is not akward or wrong HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM 2934 Views
something like this? guttering flame - 03/05/2012 06:46:59 PM 3591 Views
well, for one, I didn't say it was "wrong" so don't jump down my throat. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2012 10:03:06 PM 3110 Views
If you think that was jumping down your throat... seriously... *NM* HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 01:51:45 PM 2390 Views
when I initially read it, it came off that way. I apologize if I misinterpreted you. *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/05/2012 04:58:13 PM 2393 Views
Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!) djwilson300 - 04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM 2934 Views
oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM 2937 Views
Me, too! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/05/2012 01:18:06 AM 3055 Views
Well... DomA - 03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM 3356 Views
I think it is EG and Nyn HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM 3109 Views
Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn NaClH2O - 03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM 3022 Views
Yeah... DomA - 03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM 2988 Views
when did Nynaeve cut her hair? Onarishma - 08/05/2012 07:33:04 PM 4801 Views
It was burned off during her testing for the shawl. alanna aes sedai - 12/06/2012 02:53:43 AM 3863 Views
Egwene is a distinct possibility... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM 3100 Views
She is DomA - 04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM 3222 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM 2921 Views
Re: I don't know... DomA - 04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM 3268 Views
I'm not disagreeing with most of that... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2012 02:58:53 AM 2883 Views
"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!" Joel - 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM 3123 Views
What books have you been reading? fionwe1987 - 11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM 3106 Views
Egwene made many things "clear;" I dug up all the ToM quotes for a post near this time last year Joel - 11/05/2012 01:12:05 PM 2891 Views
I agree DomA - 11/05/2012 02:51:38 PM 3207 Views
The other quotes you requested, as promised. Joel - 13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM 3159 Views
You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM 2829 Views
Agreed Sidious - 13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM 2898 Views
Exactly... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM 2855 Views
Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM 2959 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:23:21 AM 2811 Views
Re- Joel - 21/05/2012 02:43:49 AM 3372 Views
Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM 2982 Views
Then she wouldn't be a "protagonist" fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:38:34 AM 2938 Views
Again, I never said she is or will become evil. Joel - 21/05/2012 03:03:32 AM 3087 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Sidious - 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM 3052 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Joel - 21/05/2012 03:28:48 AM 2859 Views
For the most part, very little interpretation was required. Joel - 14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM 3062 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM 3275 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. DomA - 14/05/2012 06:41:32 AM 2982 Views
Yeah... fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 07:47:16 AM 3014 Views
Re: Yeah... DomA - 14/05/2012 04:40:49 PM 3139 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. Joel - 21/05/2012 06:21:48 AM 3024 Views
Look at their foreheads Tor - 16/05/2012 08:38:51 AM 3098 Views
Re: I think it is EG and Nyn DomA - 03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM 3070 Views
I could be wrong, but I believe Rand used Calandor as a sword in the Stone. HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 08:06:45 PM 2855 Views
I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM 2844 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM 3145 Views
Idea Timthetrolloc - 04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM 2955 Views
Re: Idea Vidarfe - 04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM 2989 Views
Or.... Artsapat - 04/05/2012 12:19:16 PM 2875 Views
This would explain the hidden hand PatAtt - 04/05/2012 08:54:00 PM 2983 Views
That's a good point. Nate - 04/05/2012 08:59:41 PM 3193 Views
Nah... HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 01:56:13 PM 3012 Views
Can you draw a blade guttering flame - 08/05/2012 06:00:28 AM 2980 Views
It depens on the construction of the scabbard HyogaRott - 10/05/2012 01:36:30 PM 2895 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM 2059 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 04/05/2012 07:42:12 PM 3176 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM 2909 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 07/05/2012 09:32:45 PM 3445 Views
Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 13/05/2012 10:56:06 AM 2905 Views
I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. Joel - 11/05/2012 01:35:34 PM 3002 Views
Re: I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. DomA - 11/05/2012 04:06:50 PM 2849 Views
Egwene-Mat... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2012 09:05:07 PM 2914 Views
Re: Egwene-Mat... DomA - 12/05/2012 05:31:29 AM 3322 Views
Egwenes problem is her knack for seeing the error of her ways without ever LEARNING it. Joel - 13/05/2012 04:57:27 AM 3173 Views
The Seanchan assassin... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 11:47:53 AM 2816 Views
You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:08:26 AM 2940 Views
Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:08:11 AM 2949 Views
Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. Joel - 21/05/2012 01:59:15 AM 2943 Views
looks a little 'naughty pirate novel' but is pretty fricken awesome! *NM* Yunalesca - 03/05/2012 06:50:42 PM 2250 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Gartax - 03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM 2837 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Nate - 03/05/2012 07:36:09 PM 3043 Views
It's his left hand Rand lost *NM* DomA - 03/05/2012 08:00:01 PM 2223 Views
Thanks for the imput! *NM* Gartax - 03/05/2012 08:24:59 PM 2593 Views
I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM 3003 Views
Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... DomA - 03/05/2012 11:44:50 PM 3123 Views
Re: Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM 4000 Views
Am I the only one who sees the red dot in her forehead? *NM* Milla - 09/05/2012 08:36:53 PM 2290 Views
looks *$%$%*@ great *NM* mogi67 - 04/05/2012 02:47:00 AM 2342 Views
i quite like it! as far as the women go... wolfsister - 04/05/2012 06:38:10 PM 3109 Views
No Maidens of the Spear Knightscape - 05/05/2012 05:09:27 PM 3046 Views
Re: No Maidens of the Spear HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 02:02:36 PM 3179 Views
nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM* Onarishma - 08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM 2134 Views
Nyn cut her braid off. *NM* Artsapat - 08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM 2369 Views
I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM* guttering flame - 08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM 1237 Views
Right, my mistake. Then she cut her hair to make it straight again. *NM* Artsapat - 08/05/2012 08:54:33 PM 2266 Views
I don't remember this at all *NM* Onarishma - 08/05/2012 07:51:04 PM 2392 Views
Regarding the identities of the women on the back: Nate - 09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM 3323 Views
What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture? *NM* Skeeve the Great - 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM 2303 Views
A misplaced logo? *NM* guttering flame - 10/05/2012 08:24:52 AM 2229 Views
Possibly one of the Seals? Joel - 11/05/2012 01:42:13 AM 2905 Views
It's Michael Whelan's signature. I looked it up and found it in a different book cover *NM* Deadsy - 11/05/2012 07:05:22 AM 2217 Views
agreed Sidious - 10/05/2012 07:16:39 AM 3070 Views
Partially concur HyogaRott - 10/05/2012 01:17:31 PM 2805 Views
She's in the Pit of F*ing Doom. Ben Stein would be excited *NM* Deadsy - 12/05/2012 04:22:44 AM 1184 Views
i agree with the big about how Moiraine should be depicted LadyLorraine - 12/05/2012 11:04:53 PM 1932 Views
you can see a second weapon in Rand's belt too Yunalesca - 13/05/2012 08:51:34 PM 1876 Views
That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers A Deathwatch Guard - 26/06/2012 07:37:29 AM 1649 Views
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