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Fair point on Ishamael darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM
It's clear Egwene is NOT under a Compulsion. Graendal seems to be the only one with the ability to do what the original poster is suggesting.


Graendal being the only one capable of this seems unlikely. For one, we know that Ishamael controlled Hawkwings through compulsion, and his mind was still intact enough to conquer most of the known world so the compulsion would have had to be subtle. Verin was also able to basically invent a weave like this from scratch.

Graendal was the greatest in her field in the entire world. That however does not mean that she was the only one who could do such things. It just means that the others are a bit less skilled. That however does not automatically translate to the idea that subtle compulsion is impossible to all the other forsaken. Heck, the fact that Ishy could do it already proves that she was not alone.


He seems like the only other person with the patience spend the time to effectively compel someone and not simply rely on the OP. DomA discusses the changes/errors Sanderson makes in one of his posts in this thread ... He does a very nice job of summing up how Compulsion worked prior to TGS.

As for Verin, she cobbled together a half ass weave that only works on women and in extreme circumstances. I don't think you can say much beyond her weave is a very primitive form of true compulsion and Verin herself is willing to take her time to make the weave work with at least a little effect. She spend hours with the women she compelled and all she was really able to achieve was getting them to take an oath that they may well have taken on their own in order to get away from being da'stang. Hell she may not have even needed the weave, a little logic with some of these women may have been enough to convince them to take an oath to get out of the situation.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 20/05/2012 at 03:37:21 PM
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Egwene under compulsion Knightscape - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 2005 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Sidious - 17/05/2012 08:27:50 AM 1322 Views
To add to that darius_sedai - 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM 1121 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 18/05/2012 06:04:07 AM 1134 Views
Re: To add to that Sidious - 18/05/2012 08:58:23 AM 1013 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 19/05/2012 04:00:49 AM 995 Views
Re: To add to that Evil_Monkey - 19/05/2012 11:04:14 AM 927 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 20/05/2012 05:38:31 AM 957 Views
I think you are misunderstanding what I meant darius_sedai - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 999 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Datakim - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1160 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" darius_sedai - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 905 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" DomA - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1166 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. darius_sedai - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 879 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. Datakim - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 1016 Views
Fair point on Ishamael darius_sedai - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 1053 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 1038 Views
You are over simplifying it I think darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 1073 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" Datakim - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 983 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... Voscaia Sedai - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 982 Views
It happened off screen darius_sedai - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 972 Views
Re: It happened off screen Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 943 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion DomA - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 1286 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 1024 Views
The Headaches Knightscape - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 1006 Views
I always thought the headaches were just something Aran'gar did to get close to Egwene darius_sedai - 19/05/2012 04:10:32 PM 968 Views
Re: The Headaches DomA - 19/05/2012 05:12:26 PM 1075 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Datakim - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 1004 Views
Like I said before... fionwe1987 - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 968 Views
Re: Like I said before... Knightscape - 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM 875 Views
Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 895 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 932 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 963 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 953 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary DomA - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 1019 Views
Re: Like I said before... Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 881 Views
Re: Like I said before... fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 06:00:35 PM 1029 Views
Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. Joel - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 889 Views
Why bother? She's Egwene, and served the Shadow's end of her own free will Cannoli - 21/05/2012 11:13:26 PM 1168 Views
Re: Why bother? She's Egwene, and served the Shadow's end of her own free will Sidious - 22/05/2012 08:22:46 AM 916 Views
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