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You are over simplifying it I think darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM
Simple or unsubtle forms or Compulsion clearly have existed for a long time ... Liandrin is a perfect example, she's clearly effected by what was done to her, but it took a while for the effects to be clear. The Liandrin we see toward the end of the series is a totally different person from the early books. Even before she was broken by Suroth, the weave itself broke her by making her only concern "LIVE" ... despite what must have been a dibilitating need to Channel.

However ... more complex/subtle forms have always been shown to take time. Graendal and Ishamael are the only people we've seen use this form. Moghedien and Rahvin used blunt force which backfired on both of them. Certainly all of the Forsaken are aware that there are more "refined" methods, but that by no means says they are capable of doing it. Much like Graendal and Moghedien could talk about Healing weaves they could not themselves perform.

Aran'gar's compelling of Ramshalan is in no way shown to be "subtle" .... she merely tossed a weave on him ... we actually know more of Delana's weave which Nynaeve could see. With no time to see what possible differences in Ramshalan there is no evidence that Aran'gar managed a subtle compullsion on short notice.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Egwene under compulsion - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 2050 Views
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To add to that - 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM 1163 Views
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I think you are misunderstanding what I meant - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 1044 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1218 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 943 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1215 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 924 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 1057 Views
Fair point on Ishamael - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 1114 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 1116 Views
You are over simplifying it I think - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 1129 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 1031 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 1049 Views
It happened off screen - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 1013 Views
Re: It happened off screen - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 1020 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 1348 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 1073 Views
The Headaches - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 1053 Views
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Re: Egwene under compulsion - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 1058 Views
Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 1025 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM 954 Views
Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 959 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 989 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 1033 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 1023 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 1076 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 937 Views
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Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 969 Views

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