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You are over simplifying it I think darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM
Simple or unsubtle forms or Compulsion clearly have existed for a long time ... Liandrin is a perfect example, she's clearly effected by what was done to her, but it took a while for the effects to be clear. The Liandrin we see toward the end of the series is a totally different person from the early books. Even before she was broken by Suroth, the weave itself broke her by making her only concern "LIVE" ... despite what must have been a dibilitating need to Channel.

However ... more complex/subtle forms have always been shown to take time. Graendal and Ishamael are the only people we've seen use this form. Moghedien and Rahvin used blunt force which backfired on both of them. Certainly all of the Forsaken are aware that there are more "refined" methods, but that by no means says they are capable of doing it. Much like Graendal and Moghedien could talk about Healing weaves they could not themselves perform.

Aran'gar's compelling of Ramshalan is in no way shown to be "subtle" .... she merely tossed a weave on him ... we actually know more of Delana's weave which Nynaeve could see. With no time to see what possible differences in Ramshalan there is no evidence that Aran'gar managed a subtle compullsion on short notice.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Egwene under compulsion - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 1893 Views
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I think you are misunderstanding what I meant - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 890 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1051 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 808 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1052 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 765 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 906 Views
Fair point on Ishamael - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 930 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 934 Views
You are over simplifying it I think - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 962 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 883 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 869 Views
It happened off screen - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 854 Views
Re: It happened off screen - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 842 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 1175 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 913 Views
The Headaches - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 902 Views
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Re: Egwene under compulsion - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 892 Views
Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 867 Views
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Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 783 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 828 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 858 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 851 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 901 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 773 Views
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Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 756 Views

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