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You are over simplifying it I think darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM
Simple or unsubtle forms or Compulsion clearly have existed for a long time ... Liandrin is a perfect example, she's clearly effected by what was done to her, but it took a while for the effects to be clear. The Liandrin we see toward the end of the series is a totally different person from the early books. Even before she was broken by Suroth, the weave itself broke her by making her only concern "LIVE" ... despite what must have been a dibilitating need to Channel.

However ... more complex/subtle forms have always been shown to take time. Graendal and Ishamael are the only people we've seen use this form. Moghedien and Rahvin used blunt force which backfired on both of them. Certainly all of the Forsaken are aware that there are more "refined" methods, but that by no means says they are capable of doing it. Much like Graendal and Moghedien could talk about Healing weaves they could not themselves perform.

Aran'gar's compelling of Ramshalan is in no way shown to be "subtle" .... she merely tossed a weave on him ... we actually know more of Delana's weave which Nynaeve could see. With no time to see what possible differences in Ramshalan there is no evidence that Aran'gar managed a subtle compullsion on short notice.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Egwene under compulsion - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 1946 Views
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To add to that - 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM 1064 Views
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I think you are misunderstanding what I meant - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 950 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1101 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 848 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1106 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 815 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 957 Views
Fair point on Ishamael - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 991 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 981 Views
You are over simplifying it I think - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 1012 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 933 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 925 Views
It happened off screen - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 912 Views
Re: It happened off screen - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 882 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 1232 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 969 Views
The Headaches - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 952 Views
Re: The Headaches - 19/05/2012 05:12:26 PM 1020 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 947 Views
Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 916 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM 818 Views
Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 836 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 874 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 908 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 896 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 959 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 824 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 06:00:35 PM 968 Views
Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 815 Views

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