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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM

While all true, it doesn't explain why Galad is a Damodred or what advantage his being a Damodred has in the situation.

He is a Damodred because that was how the treaty was signed. You can't simply change your name, after.
All of the above still doesn't explain why Modrellein and Tigrain would have allowed any of Tigrain's children to have thier fathers family name.

Because the father was, politically, as powerful as Tigraine, and like her, heir to a throne. Like I said, compare it to one of Faile's children being heir to Saldea, and another being heir to the Two Rivers. That is a powerful position to be in. Tigraine would have gotten (presumably) a daughter to rule Andor and a son to rule Cairhein. Since the future King and Queen would be brother and sister, wars between the nations would stop. That's the advantage Mordrellein saw in Galad being a Damodred.
It's not like anyone expected Tigrain to not rule as Queen of Andor someday. As both male and felmale children of the Royal line have duty to the country it seems unlikely that any child of this union would be put into such a politically disadvantaged position as Galad would have been in as a Damodred in a Mantear Royal house.

Why is a Damodred in a disadvantage? As heir to the throne of Cairhein, he wouldn't be a part of House Mantear!
While Laman and Tigrain still lived Galad would have no shot at inheriting any Crown as a Damodred.

Why does Tigraine enter the equation? Laman, however, was old, and likely to die before Galad, which made Galad second in line for the Cairheinin throne when he was born.
Taringale's ambitions were just that, he was no longer Heir to the throne and when the dust settled Barthanes ended up as Damodred High Seat.

This was post-Aiel war though. They had no way of anticipating Taringail's removal from the succession because of a future marriage to Morghase when they were signing the treaty for his marriage to Tigraine! At that point, the hope was that Taringail would take the throne of Cairhein when Laman died, and Galad would be his heir. Tigraine would take the throne of Andor, and her daughter with Taringail would be heir. That was the plan...
What is even more strange is that Galad also ended up ousted as High Seat of Mantear since he was a direct Hier to that title and the succession should have been clean and simple.

He was not and heir. As a Damodred, he had no claim to the High Seat of Mantear. He wasn't ever in line, and it was never a consideration after Tigraine died. What is worth noting is that he was passed over as High Seat of House Damodred. That was probably Moghase and Galldrian's doing.
Perhaps after the death of Queen and Daughter Heir Taringail decided to reclaim Galad as a Damodred for some reason.

Why would he have to reclaim him? He was already a Damodred, by Mordrellein's treaty!
No clue what that would have gained him unless that made marrying Morgase cleaner.

You seem to be confused. Galad was already born, and a Damodred from birth, when Taringail married Morghase. Taringail had no choice in Galad's name.
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aMoL UK cover and Blurb (SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!) fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 06:44:26 PM 3085 Views
Thoughts... fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 06:46:41 PM 1560 Views
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Re: Thoughts... DomA - 21/05/2012 09:04:09 PM 1564 Views
*nods in agreement* *NM* darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 10:46:48 PM 540 Views
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Re: Thoughts... DomA - 22/05/2012 01:02:16 AM 1460 Views
Re: Thoughts... DomA - 21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM 1479 Views
Mat and the madness... fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM 1427 Views
Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM 1441 Views
Not Egwene though... fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM 1241 Views
Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM 1232 Views
Fair enough. fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 11:31:10 PM 1246 Views
Agreed that it's an odd blurb darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 11:45:03 PM 1289 Views
Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness Datakim - 22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM 1321 Views
I was thinking about that... fionwe1987 - 22/05/2012 02:35:25 AM 1214 Views
Re: I was thinking about that... darius_sedai - 22/05/2012 03:41:48 AM 1326 Views
Re: Mat and the madness... DomA - 22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM 1389 Views
Rand's dreams... fionwe1987 - 22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM 1248 Views
She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney darius_sedai - 22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM 1433 Views
I'd like some evidence for this. fionwe1987 - 22/05/2012 04:14:27 AM 1267 Views
It's still ingrained in the society darius_sedai - 22/05/2012 01:28:05 PM 1301 Views
Moridin and the link Datakim - 28/05/2012 01:45:43 AM 1172 Views
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her. Cannoli - 21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM 1401 Views
Oh read the books will you? fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM 1412 Views
I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author. Cannoli - 22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM 1412 Views
What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn." Joel - 22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM 1301 Views
As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar Deadsy - 22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM 1451 Views
At this stage, all roads lead to Rand. Joel - 22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM 1241 Views
Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand. Deadsy - 23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM 1320 Views
Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon. Joel - 23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM 1237 Views
Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon. Deadsy - 23/05/2012 09:01:10 PM 1388 Views
It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal. Joel - 23/05/2012 09:22:47 PM 1314 Views
Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal. kHz1000 - 24/05/2012 07:34:40 AM 1218 Views
Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal. Deadsy - 25/05/2012 01:23:21 AM 1360 Views
I am still not so sure how clear that metonym is. Joel - 25/05/2012 01:47:10 AM 1281 Views
Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon. DomA - 24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM 1415 Views
Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel... entyti - 24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM 1652 Views
Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel... DomA - 26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM 1977 Views
Agreed... fionwe1987 - 26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM 1330 Views
I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends darius_sedai - 26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM 1173 Views
Re: Agreed... DomA - 27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM 1275 Views
I think you're both wrong... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM 1283 Views
I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession darius_sedai - 27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM 1219 Views
Re: I think you're both wrong... DomA - 27/05/2012 07:10:08 PM 1287 Views
I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander darius_sedai - 28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM 1291 Views
Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander DomA - 28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM 1257 Views
That makes no sense darius_sedai - 28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM 1302 Views
Taringail was Laman's heir... fionwe1987 - 28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM 1318 Views
You are answering the wrong question darius_sedai - 29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM 1217 Views
No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it. fionwe1987 - 29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM 1244 Views
Yet not one of these things actually happened darius_sedai - 29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM 1268 Views
You're being absurd... fionwe1987 - 30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM 1221 Views
Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 05:48:48 AM 1286 Views
fionwe1987 - 30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM 1156 Views
Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne? darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM 1306 Views
We don't fully know... fionwe1987 - 30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM 1090 Views
You just flipped your last statement darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM 1325 Views
You seem extremely confused... fionwe1987 - 30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM 1263 Views
Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM 1221 Views
Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have DomA - 30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM 1395 Views
I am not contesting the information we have darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM 1411 Views
You're impossible... DomA - 30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM 1240 Views
Wow ... Not sure what is bringing out the aggression darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 10:19:18 PM 1217 Views
*sigh* DomA - 30/05/2012 11:45:28 PM 1284 Views
DomA swore *NM* Sidious - 31/05/2012 03:39:24 PM 1316 Views
Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then DomA - 30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM 1418 Views
See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM 1171 Views
Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear.... DomA - 30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM 1180 Views
Re: That makes no sense DomA - 29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM 1372 Views
Only one other thing... fionwe1987 - 29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM 1086 Views
No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM* darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM 723 Views
Re: Only one other thing... DomA - 30/05/2012 12:32:58 PM 1149 Views
Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM 1237 Views
Bryne was First Prince Regent. fionwe1987 - 30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM 1140 Views
Fair enough ... Thanks for providing a quote darius_sedai - 30/05/2012 06:22:52 AM 1374 Views
Re: Fair enough ... Thanks for providing a quote DomA - 30/05/2012 04:38:29 PM 1200 Views
No he wasn't DomA - 30/05/2012 04:16:02 PM 1161 Views
No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal darius_sedai - 26/05/2012 10:33:20 PM 1098 Views
Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal DomA - 27/05/2012 03:23:12 AM 1175 Views
Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal darius_sedai - 27/05/2012 01:50:19 PM 1151 Views
Re: Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal DomA - 27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM 1381 Views
I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage darius_sedai - 28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM 1264 Views
Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage DomA - 28/05/2012 03:33:18 PM 1418 Views
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2012 05:18:40 PM 633 Views
He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon. Joel - 25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM 1529 Views
Soon might be relative... DomA - 27/05/2012 02:08:53 AM 1735 Views
Sul'dam fionwe1987 - 27/05/2012 09:03:57 AM 1541 Views
Re: Sul'dam DomA - 27/05/2012 05:54:57 PM 1340 Views
Right, then; here we go.... Joel - 03/06/2012 08:45:20 AM 1185 Views
Re: As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar Grutz - 23/05/2012 05:28:17 PM 1231 Views
I think I read a fan fiction like that once *NM* Deadsy - 23/05/2012 08:04:42 PM 674 Views
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