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I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/11/2012 11:57:34 PM
Traveling until after they arrived in Caemlyn and Cairhien. The clearly had orders to secure the land before they left for these cities as both groups negotiated for the land. Later Zaida was able to get Traveling because of the BotW deal. Clearly the SF were looking for Trade enclaves inside of the two most powerful nations with no Seaports.


Zaida negotiated for a square mile of Andor with Elayne, it was part of the bargain she made with her to leave her Windfinders.

Harine also secured land, it had nothing to do with Zaida's plans.
They're bitter rivals, remember.







They didn't know anything about Traveling when these negotiations came up. They were far more likely ordered to secure land ,as part of their Bargains, by Nesta and the First 12 before they left the Ships. Zaida's Bargain was better recieved because she ALSO secured Traveling which opened up a world of new possibilities. Harine's on te other hand was a poor Bargain as she gave up far too much to get the land.

There is nothing to indicate that they secured the land specifically for Traveling.
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[Mik's Warp] - Demandred is.....*click to find out* Mik - 05/11/2012 01:06:42 PM 3016 Views
There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)... Tom - 05/11/2012 02:10:07 PM 1498 Views
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Re: There are only 2 months left before AMOL comes out (or less)... Mik - 06/11/2012 12:40:54 PM 1413 Views
I'm not saying it's not a well-reasoned theory; it is. Tom - 06/11/2012 06:02:36 PM 1454 Views
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Re: I say Roederan is a better choice simply because of where he is located Mik - 07/11/2012 09:42:00 AM 1604 Views
I applaud your effort, but to be honest I just can't see it darius_sedai - 07/11/2012 04:48:17 PM 1209 Views
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There has been a lot of waste in WOT..... Anonymous2000 - 06/11/2012 06:26:56 PM 1165 Views
LIKE! *NM* alanna aes sedai - 09/12/2012 02:37:49 PM 1201 Views
Whoops *NM* ßelals Girl - 06/11/2012 07:27:06 PM 721 Views
Plausible, albeit antilclimactic *NM* beetnemesis - 05/11/2012 06:32:38 PM 763 Views
Unless Mat is Demandred, at this point it will be anticlimactic. *NM* Tom - 06/11/2012 04:02:38 AM 729 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* Artsapat - 06/11/2012 07:53:30 PM 736 Views
That would be EPIC *NM* Artsapat - 06/11/2012 07:53:31 PM 727 Views
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LOL ... it will be a saying in the next Age darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 10:36:04 PM 1138 Views
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It sounds like we're at the same stage of vision of the AOL DomA - 08/11/2012 07:48:17 PM 1143 Views
Statistics refute some of that... Shannow - 09/11/2012 07:35:59 AM 1149 Views
We're not talking about the same things... DomA - 09/11/2012 11:31:12 PM 1138 Views
The real question is how much of that was caused by the Bore and the Collapse darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 11:50:20 PM 1197 Views
It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent. darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 11:43:26 PM 1326 Views
Re: It doesn't mean no one in this Age can be at Talented or Intelligent. Shannow - 10/11/2012 07:34:34 AM 1232 Views
You seriously believe that? darius_sedai - 10/11/2012 04:17:09 PM 1167 Views
Mat has grown quiet a bit since those days darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 01:55:48 AM 1324 Views
You're putting the Evil on a pedestal. Praziquantel - 06/11/2012 03:12:38 AM 1061 Views
No, just desperately trying to raise the stakes a bit... Shannow - 06/11/2012 07:00:59 AM 1216 Views
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hmmm Yunalesca - 06/11/2012 10:27:00 AM 1562 Views
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Exactly... DomA - 06/11/2012 11:45:36 PM 1286 Views
... is defeated by Mr Happy Go Lucky DomA - 06/11/2012 08:45:29 PM 1332 Views
I didn't try hard at all; Demandred found me... Mik - 06/11/2012 03:31:41 PM 1371 Views
My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk darius_sedai - 06/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1265 Views
Re: My biggest contention with Demandred being with the Sea Folk DomA - 07/11/2012 12:07:02 AM 1329 Views
Well, it instantly gives the Shadow access to attacking every coastal city... Shannow - 07/11/2012 10:32:23 AM 1193 Views
Exactly! Mik - 07/11/2012 10:54:14 AM 1838 Views
If he married Nynaeve and Moiraine he'd have his wives at Rand's side in the Pit too.... DomA - 07/11/2012 03:28:38 PM 1244 Views
I find that approach unnecessarily convoluted. Just hit them with 1 billion Trollocs and crush them. Shannow - 08/11/2012 07:00:36 AM 1182 Views
Not likely he has that many... DomA - 08/11/2012 03:00:32 PM 1145 Views
May I ask some practical questions? Sidious - 08/11/2012 05:28:41 PM 1120 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? Praziquantel - 08/11/2012 10:35:38 PM 1233 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? darius_sedai - 10/11/2012 12:09:15 AM 1161 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? Praziquantel - 10/11/2012 03:11:59 AM 1135 Views
LOL ... Seems more than a little far fetched *NM* darius_sedai - 10/11/2012 06:17:34 AM 667 Views
Well you asked for an explanation Praziquantel - 13/11/2012 10:23:41 PM 1069 Views
fair enough *NM* darius_sedai - 14/11/2012 01:31:52 AM 646 Views
Re: May I ask some practical questions? DomA - 10/11/2012 07:15:58 PM 1194 Views
Exactly! darius_sedai - 11/11/2012 07:38:46 AM 1197 Views
Good practical questions... Shannow - 09/11/2012 07:24:14 AM 1201 Views
He doesn't need the SF for that darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 03:00:34 PM 981 Views
Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 02:57:16 PM 1040 Views
Re: Well, they hadn't planned on them being Traveling grounds as they didn't know about DomA - 09/11/2012 09:03:14 PM 1166 Views
I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind. darius_sedai - 09/11/2012 11:57:34 PM 1126 Views
Re: I know. I'm saying they were not doing this with Traveling in mind. DomA - 10/11/2012 10:08:04 PM 2679 Views
I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage darius_sedai - 11/11/2012 07:45:19 AM 1185 Views
Re: I see what you are getting at ... And I see how Zaida used it to her advantage DomA - 12/11/2012 02:57:08 PM 1220 Views
Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing darius_sedai - 12/11/2012 04:11:50 PM 1227 Views
Re: Nesta sent 2 ambassadors to the Coramoor. Both looking for the same thing DomA - 12/11/2012 06:01:33 PM 1331 Views
Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain darius_sedai - 12/11/2012 06:51:24 PM 1355 Views
Re: Well there is also the fact that Harine pretty much tells us she MUST make a Bargain DomA - 12/11/2012 09:30:57 PM 1147 Views
Not to belabor the point darius_sedai - 12/11/2012 10:56:39 PM 1095 Views
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I think you are way off base on the economics darius_sedai - 13/11/2012 01:24:35 AM 1050 Views
Re: I think you are way off base on the economics DomA - 13/11/2012 03:48:40 PM 1149 Views
no reason to *NM* darius_sedai - 14/11/2012 01:35:55 AM 663 Views
I don't see the problem... Mik - 07/11/2012 10:52:49 AM 1998 Views
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Who? ßelals Girl - 06/11/2012 07:29:46 PM 1116 Views
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