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RJ debated with himself a bit on Sorilea's strength, assigning low-range, mid-range, and high-range strengths for her. He eventually ended up going with low-range, but still not really approaching the depths of Moiraine's post-Ghenjei strength.

The Wise Ones have more detail on strength than any other non-Aes Sedai group except maybe the Kin. These groups interacted often with the Aes Sedai, sometimes in power (not Power) struggles, and while strength wasn't a factor with the Kin and the Aiel, it was a factor for the Aes Sedai in how they perceived those women.

The debate on Sorilea is a good example of how RJ's notes go. Very, very little is set in stone until the moment when he writes it. He has tons of notes that are marked UNUSED - CAN CHANGE or some variation thereof. It was often UNUSED AS OF CROWN or whatever book; he was very haphazard about reminder protocol, but since the notes themselves are updated haphazardly, book markers were probably necessary to help keep things straight.


Interesting. And I'm glad Sorelia was kept weak. That added a ton of interest to her character, and RJ used it very well in driving Egwene's realization that the Tower shouldn't be discarding women weak in the OP.


RJ made cut-off points for certain files when they reached a certain level of obsoletion. His notes versions also appear to have evolved haphazardly. Thus you have some notes that appear to have been written pre–Winter's Heart, perhaps pre-TPOD, but he quotes a scene from WH somewhere in the notes. Maybe he wrote most of the notes post-TPOD, and the scene in question was one of the first scenes written for WH. That happens a lot. His outline for TGH makes references to assorted, non-chronological scenes from TGH that were already written, and doesn't describe those scenes in the same detail as the unwritten ones. But maybe he wrote the bulk of the notes at one time and kept updating that file (haphazardly) for a couple more books until he made new files.

All this, I think, only deepens my respect for the level of consistency in the series. Yes, he had detailed notes and assistants, but the man himself clearly had a great organizational structure in his head that he never put on paper. No wonder so many things unspooled when Brandon took over.
Random detail from those TGH notes: he described the scene with Lanfear putting on Rand's shirt in great detail. It's amusing how much thought he puts into the sex-related stuff. He loved his lesbians very much.

Lol! I remember finding that scene to be one of the sexiest in the series, for all that it is relatively tame.
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One Power strength: New information from RJ's notes - 01/05/2014 11:39:32 PM 4491 Views
interesting. i wonder what else they'll dig up - 01/05/2014 11:46:19 PM 1841 Views
College of Charleston library - 02/05/2014 12:21:01 AM 1939 Views
Still... really cool, thanks! *NM* - 03/05/2014 06:35:05 PM 1012 Views
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Sorry, no... - 02/05/2014 06:00:56 PM 1606 Views
Here are some key flaws, unfortunately... - 02/05/2014 07:56:53 PM 1474 Views
Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... - 02/05/2014 09:50:23 PM 1529 Views
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Re: Not totally accurate - 05/06/2015 09:16:51 PM 1760 Views
Re: Not totally accurate - 06/06/2015 03:48:34 PM 1421 Views
Re: How that CAN be interpreted however, is... - 02/05/2014 09:39:06 PM 1745 Views
Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. - 02/05/2014 09:57:37 PM 1624 Views
Ahh, the Rand with Egwene and Elayne scene... - 02/05/2014 10:19:05 PM 1838 Views
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About that... - 02/05/2014 10:48:18 PM 1511 Views
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Thanks a ton for that Dom... - 02/05/2014 10:24:02 PM 1549 Views
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More on Aiel learners - 03/05/2014 12:46:19 AM 1601 Views
Interesting. - 03/05/2014 02:32:23 AM 1513 Views
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Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? - 07/05/2014 01:31:54 AM 1636 Views
Re: Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? - 07/05/2014 02:59:42 AM 1777 Views
Thanks Dom, I'm genuinely puzzled, though... - 07/05/2014 09:04:08 AM 1655 Views
Some things to consider... - 07/05/2014 11:22:46 PM 1492 Views
Re: Some things to consider... - 17/05/2015 03:32:22 AM 1425 Views
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his power level? - 02/05/2014 04:38:59 PM 1512 Views
mmm, Vegeta *NM* - 03/05/2014 08:32:36 AM 1007 Views
Sorilea and comments on the general structure of the notes - 02/05/2014 09:20:26 PM 1825 Views
Is there any reference whatsoever about strength multiples? - 02/05/2014 09:34:50 PM 1675 Views
I will let you know if I see something like that... - 02/05/2014 10:20:46 PM 1540 Views
Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle - 03/05/2014 11:04:31 PM 1642 Views
Re: Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle - 04/05/2014 06:16:52 AM 1668 Views
Interesting... - 04/05/2014 08:14:19 AM 1698 Views
Re: Interesting... - 05/05/2014 04:08:41 PM 1612 Views
LOL! - 02/05/2014 09:46:11 PM 1696 Views
More info on Sorilea - 02/05/2014 10:04:50 PM 1823 Views
This is great! - 02/05/2014 10:23:31 PM 1749 Views
In the original he might have kissed her. - 03/05/2014 12:49:53 AM 1595 Views
Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. - 05/05/2014 02:53:00 PM 1823 Views
Easy answer - 10/05/2014 02:49:53 PM 1555 Views
Can't argue with that! - 18/05/2014 12:31:01 AM 1689 Views
Therava/Galina - 10/05/2014 02:58:09 PM 2138 Views
Came across one of the oldest strength lists I'd seen... - 02/05/2014 10:46:29 PM 1620 Views
#10 seems weird. An Aes Sedai who never reached her full potential? - 03/05/2014 06:43:41 PM 1763 Views
Not weird. There is a good reason. - 03/05/2014 09:30:40 PM 1751 Views
One question... - 03/05/2014 09:44:35 PM 1700 Views
yes to both *NM* - 03/05/2014 10:49:29 PM 1068 Views
Suian? - 04/05/2014 04:50:32 PM 1664 Views
Does not meet the criteria I gave. *NM* - 10/05/2014 05:23:27 AM 961 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 11/05/2014 05:49:31 AM 1588 Views
Not someone who was severed, burned out, or anything like that. *NM* - 11/05/2014 01:27:28 PM 978 Views
Did she join the Aes Sedai especially early or late in life? - 11/05/2014 01:47:27 PM 1594 Views
no... - 11/05/2014 04:27:07 PM 1468 Views
Wild guess... - 11/05/2014 06:51:27 PM 1514 Views
One of Terez's criteria - 11/05/2014 09:24:57 PM 1472 Views
Hmmm... - 12/05/2014 08:51:33 AM 1472 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 13/05/2014 06:14:12 PM 1655 Views
Even I don't know what Dom is talking about. *NM* - 13/05/2014 06:24:23 PM 955 Views
Does it have anything to do with the Sharans? - 13/05/2014 10:35:45 PM 1532 Views
no - 14/05/2014 07:52:27 AM 1564 Views
Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... - 13/05/2014 09:26:02 PM 1590 Views
Kiruna... - 13/05/2014 10:34:32 PM 1497 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 13/05/2014 10:38:05 PM 1430 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 14/05/2014 04:09:42 AM 1504 Views
Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM 1585 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 14/05/2014 07:55:20 AM 1547 Views
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Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 15/05/2014 03:59:02 AM 1618 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 16/05/2014 04:06:02 PM 1477 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 17/05/2014 03:01:25 AM 1587 Views
Perhaps Romanda? - 05/06/2015 04:22:31 PM 1620 Views
Re: Perhaps Romanda? - 05/06/2015 08:39:31 PM 1298 Views
Re: Wild guess... - 12/05/2014 05:33:53 AM 1586 Views
Alternatively, someone who went to live in Far Madding... - 12/05/2014 12:08:07 PM 1558 Views
That was one of my guesses... - 12/05/2014 04:57:56 PM 1353 Views
Redirect to my initial "Not weird" post. *NM* - 12/05/2014 06:59:02 PM 959 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 20/05/2014 02:23:13 AM 1488 Views
Lots of no *NM* - 20/05/2014 02:30:25 AM 971 Views
You're killing me. - 20/05/2014 02:55:21 AM 1486 Views
I won't just tell you :p But... - 20/05/2014 10:31:27 AM 1580 Views
Wild speculation - 20/05/2014 01:39:52 PM 1489 Views
Could it be Verin who always used her angreal? - 20/05/2014 02:07:30 PM 1479 Views
Hmmm - 20/05/2014 03:37:57 PM 1490 Views
Well, I'm not saying she did it to appear weaker... - 20/05/2014 03:48:10 PM 1398 Views
The buffer - 20/05/2014 04:10:58 PM 1511 Views
I doubt using an angreal means you don't progress in natural strength - 20/05/2014 06:02:00 PM 1673 Views
Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 20/05/2014 11:53:11 PM 1536 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 21/05/2014 01:55:15 AM 1473 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 02:33:30 AM 1545 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 05:04:00 AM 1602 Views
So... - 22/05/2014 05:12:48 AM 1449 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 11:55:38 AM 1452 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 24/05/2014 02:07:01 AM 1494 Views
I didn't say that - 24/05/2014 11:24:30 PM 1540 Views
Re: I didn't say that - 25/05/2014 02:32:46 PM 1522 Views
did she deliberately keep her growth slow? A small theory too - 17/05/2015 11:54:28 PM 1436 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 05:49:42 PM 1673 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 06:05:28 PM 1384 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 06:23:28 PM 1633 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 08:37:20 PM 1328 Views
I think this will be in the Encyclopedia, so... - 10/06/2015 03:06:42 PM 1477 Views
you are such a tease *NM* - 10/06/2015 09:05:10 PM 794 Views
Why doesn't someone... - 24/05/2014 11:25:51 PM 1674 Views
Favourite part about this post... - 12/05/2014 07:12:51 AM 1694 Views
With regard to #10- does it involve the Oath Rod, in some way? - 15/05/2014 02:53:45 PM 1498 Views
no *NM* - 15/05/2014 07:16:16 PM 942 Views
Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! - 17/05/2014 01:32:04 PM 1567 Views
Re: Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! - 17/05/2014 08:45:59 PM 1608 Views
An Aes Sedai who was sent away from the Tower? - 17/05/2014 10:01:44 PM 1606 Views
Again, no reason to think this Aes Sedai did not channel often. *NM* - 18/05/2014 04:32:06 AM 975 Views
Did the Aes Sedai live in relative seclusion, did she have a Warder, and did that Warder die? *NM* - 20/05/2014 06:03:04 PM 1080 Views
Too specific - 20/05/2014 11:51:25 PM 1548 Views
Re: Too specific - 21/05/2014 05:32:32 AM 1461 Views
You think THAT isn't specific? *NM* - 22/05/2014 02:41:53 AM 981 Views
It's a fine mess that no one can work out - 09/06/2014 09:20:56 AM 1692 Views
Re: It's a fine mess that no one can work out - 04/06/2015 08:48:20 PM 1712 Views

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