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Perrin is right almost all the time. How is he not smart? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 04/01/2016 08:26:18 AM

I've never understood most of the issues with Perrin. People get mad at him for killing the man who broke his own code of morality to abduct Perrin's wife, while trying to abuse his superior position to induce her prostitute herself. People get mad at him for ignoring his mission to rescue his wife, which is not at all true.


With Perrin, there were often those quotes around being slow but smart, but really he viewed the world more simply than most - many around him would overcomplicate things, whereas Perrin just wouldn't see the complications, and so come up with the simple answer which is also often the best, coming across smart when not necessarily the case, just a different world view.

In the early days, whenever I would read a quote of his around 'people tend to think of me as slow and thus stupid', I would think that this is because he is slow and stupid, given his actions in the early books He got better though

IDK what this was about, but as far back as EotW, he was usually right in his insights and analysis. He called bullshit on the Tinkers, in a way that exposed Aram's hypocrisy, and did something similar with Egwene, to expose the selfishness of her position vis a vis Elyas, and her lack of consideration of his opinions. For all that Rand knows her better, Rand never makes her as embarrassed as Perrin does. He saw the dangers in Egwene playing with the One Power without training, which Verin later confirmed. He was smarter about trying to fool Bornhald when they were taken by the Children of the Light, when Egwene wanted to stick with their absurd ruse. He saw through Byar's subterfuge to kill them under the pretense of escape. When he escaped Shadar Logoth, he kept his head and thought more clearly about the job ahead and what he needed to do than Rand or Mat or Egwene did, despite each of them getting out with more resources.

In the next book, he figures out that Rand can channel, and seems to understand how that affected Rand's behavior. Later on, he is the first to notice Rand's new change in demeanor that none of the girls pick up on until tSR. No one mentions it explicitly, and since we see Perrin through no other PoV character's eyes in tDR, we don't get to notice it externally, but even if he is not conscious of this fact, it is plain that the Shienarans have come to respect him in his own right, not just "because Moiraine says so." He does a much better job of standing up to Moiraine, and being right on more than one occasion than any other of the TR folks had to that point.

In the middle books, his biggest blindspots had to do with her misapplied perceptions of Faile, due to cultural differences (it's more than just the yelling thing). Outside of relationship confusion, he's really good in his assessments of people and situations.

Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

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Why do you bother? *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:23:10 AM 820 Views
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I don't get the "circumstances being created" argument anyway... - 31/12/2015 02:53:14 AM 1296 Views
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Damn stupid WoT, never working out the way you think it should! - 04/01/2016 01:38:45 AM 1466 Views
So you agree, Egwene eliminated on of the Forsaken in a direct conflict - 04/01/2016 03:28:35 AM 1317 Views
Yeah. I just don't see how it redounds to her credit, or is particularly impressive. - 04/01/2016 07:17:20 AM 1546 Views
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Re: Yeah. I just don't see how it redounds to her credit, or is particularly impressive. - 04/01/2016 04:19:00 PM 1449 Views
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That's not the worst argument given how lame many of them were - 04/01/2016 06:37:44 PM 1577 Views
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*grabs Dewars* *NM* - 04/01/2016 08:24:05 PM 942 Views
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Exactly. The double standard has always existed in Cannoli's rants. - 31/12/2015 05:31:42 AM 1612 Views
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Where did I say someone who reads his posts are dumb or something? - 01/01/2016 05:15:30 PM 1352 Views
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