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The rest is immaterial since the circumstances were set by Mesaana

And Perrin.


Because it confirms that she's one of the few Lightsiders who can claim a Forsaken scalp. Two in fact ... other than Rand no one else can claim 2, justifying the credit she was given by others in the series.

I don't know that I'd give Perrin credit for setting the circumstances since he didn't do it with any knowledge of what he was doing (i.e. trapping the Black Ajah), in his case it was lucky timing that trapped the Black. However, Mesaana deliberately set the stage for the confrontation with Egwene by deciding to take her to a spot where it was just the two of them in a head to head fight. Egwene defeating Mesaana was all about Egwene having a powerful will. Even if you consider Mesaana one of the lesser Forsaken, it's still impressive to take down one of the Forsaken.


I fully expect a "what's so special about the Forsaken?" reply.


Of course, they each wrecked havoc at fairly exceptional levels when you sit back and think about it

Graendal, Be'lal, Sammael, Rhavin and Semirhage all single handedly brought powerful nations to utter chaos while, Mesaana and Aran'gar managed to keep hundreds of channelers focussed on events in the Tower rather than becoming active participants in stopping the Shadow. Demandred and Taim managed to recruit hundreds of channelers onto the side of the shadow.

Lanfear, Ishamael, Graendal, Rhavin, Demandred, Taim and Sammael all showed us the power and effectiveness of ONE powerful channeler in combat situations.

The Forsaken turned out to be all to human and petty, but that doesn't change the fact that they were also incredibly powerful and devious enemies.


Well you've set yourself up for a nice and snarky rebuttal. Be strong and drink whiskey.

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