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Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM

Con’s

1. It violates at least one (if not more) ancient law(s) that has probably been in place since the Trolloc Wars, if not since the founding of the White Tower.
2. Most sisters (not just the Hall) consider very old laws to “contain an aura of holiness,” and “consider changing such laws to be unthinkable.” [Robert Jordan, A Crown of Swords, page 219]
3. The act is excruciatingly painful and would probably be considered cruel and unusual by the standards of the White Tower.
4. The severed party might suffer irreparable psychological damage.
5. There is insufficient information regarding the restoration process.
6. Alternative methods exist to prevent prisoners from channeling.
7. Alternative (albeit not very humane) methods exist to foreswear oaths.
8. Alternative methods are favorable because they do not put an “innocent” party at risk. Anyone can be put to the question after they are found guilty and severed.


Cons:

1 and 2: Conceded.

3. Anyone that is a Darkfriend deserves all the pain they can get.

4. In severed women, we have not seen psychological damage. Sure, they start screaming, and weeping, but I would say that's akin to watching several family members die right before your eyes.

5. Not really. We know that some Asha'man have restored women to their full strength. We know Nynaeve healed Logain to his full strength. And we know that Nynaeve healed Siuan and Leane to a bit of their strengths. Therefore, logically, we can see that a man can restore a woman, and a woman can restore a man, to their respective potentials.

6. Shielding, but shields can be broken.

7. If we had the Oath Rod, which is currently occupied. Elayne and Rand do not have the Oath rod.

8. Conceded.
Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
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Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 05:25:29 PM 2334 Views
ya this does work fistofpainx - 03/10/2009 06:32:22 PM 900 Views
Totally Agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 03/10/2009 06:38:27 PM 457 Views
Makes sense, but... Etzel - 03/10/2009 07:04:27 PM 1067 Views
Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know how Cannoli - 03/10/2009 07:16:03 PM 1288 Views
Re: Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know h MissKoalaVB - 04/10/2009 12:55:55 AM 1555 Views
Is this the real stilling? Etzel - 04/10/2009 09:06:32 AM 1424 Views
It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 02:55:35 PM 1017 Views
Re: It's real stilling Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 06:46:58 PM 1579 Views
Re: It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 06:53:52 PM 1047 Views
I think Egwene took longer because it was the first time. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/10/2009 07:20:26 PM 431 Views
Not in my opinion Sidious - 05/10/2009 05:00:30 AM 1304 Views
How does that respond to what I said? fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:15:57 AM 870 Views
Re: How does that respond to what I said? Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:07:16 PM 922 Views
Doesn't make sense.... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:20:21 AM 847 Views
Re: Doesn't make sense.... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:30:04 AM 961 Views
I disagree. Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 10:03:56 PM 942 Views
Re: I disagree. Sidious - 05/10/2009 04:58:04 AM 984 Views
Then... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:12:45 AM 890 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:09:04 PM 892 Views
Re: Then... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:25:22 AM 994 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:51:48 AM 899 Views
I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 06/10/2009 02:18:01 AM 951 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:50:33 AM 1101 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2009 02:28:34 AM 1004 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 07/10/2009 08:20:34 AM 945 Views
Well, you may, but I remain unconvinced . Fanatic-Templar - 08/10/2009 12:22:31 AM 1068 Views
I think it's too risky Sidious - 03/10/2009 07:21:51 PM 1021 Views
Of course, they should still be guarded with restricted access. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 09:02:21 PM 1077 Views
Re: I think it's too risky DomA - 05/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 926 Views
Sounds good, but the Aes Sedai aren't known for making the most logical decisions. Nice Post *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 07:47:36 PM 455 Views
oops i meant to put "aren't" but i accidently put are. It's edited now. Sorry for any confusion *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 10:26:50 PM 447 Views
I just thought you were being sarcastic at them *NM* Cannoli - 03/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 468 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 04:51:58 AM 1133 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM 986 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 05:45:16 PM 1752 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM 1002 Views
To Clarify... Orlin_Artemi - 05/10/2009 12:30:28 AM 1096 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 05/10/2009 02:54:40 PM 1623 Views
Remember Shadar Logoth Ryan - 04/10/2009 02:49:06 PM 882 Views
The only thing worse than ignoring morality for pragmatism is moralizing a non-moral issue Cannoli - 04/10/2009 09:36:43 PM 1017 Views
Re: Remember Shadar Logoth DomA - 05/10/2009 06:05:54 AM 1001 Views
From Rand's viewpoint Ben - 05/10/2009 01:10:18 PM 1704 Views
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