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Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM

Con’s

1. It violates at least one (if not more) ancient law(s) that has probably been in place since the Trolloc Wars, if not since the founding of the White Tower.
2. Most sisters (not just the Hall) consider very old laws to “contain an aura of holiness,” and “consider changing such laws to be unthinkable.” [Robert Jordan, A Crown of Swords, page 219]
3. The act is excruciatingly painful and would probably be considered cruel and unusual by the standards of the White Tower.
4. The severed party might suffer irreparable psychological damage.
5. There is insufficient information regarding the restoration process.
6. Alternative methods exist to prevent prisoners from channeling.
7. Alternative (albeit not very humane) methods exist to foreswear oaths.
8. Alternative methods are favorable because they do not put an “innocent” party at risk. Anyone can be put to the question after they are found guilty and severed.


Cons:

1 and 2: Conceded.

3. Anyone that is a Darkfriend deserves all the pain they can get.

4. In severed women, we have not seen psychological damage. Sure, they start screaming, and weeping, but I would say that's akin to watching several family members die right before your eyes.

5. Not really. We know that some Asha'man have restored women to their full strength. We know Nynaeve healed Logain to his full strength. And we know that Nynaeve healed Siuan and Leane to a bit of their strengths. Therefore, logically, we can see that a man can restore a woman, and a woman can restore a man, to their respective potentials.

6. Shielding, but shields can be broken.

7. If we had the Oath Rod, which is currently occupied. Elayne and Rand do not have the Oath rod.

8. Conceded.
Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
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Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 05:25:29 PM 2416 Views
ya this does work fistofpainx - 03/10/2009 06:32:22 PM 952 Views
Totally Agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 03/10/2009 06:38:27 PM 497 Views
Makes sense, but... Etzel - 03/10/2009 07:04:27 PM 1118 Views
Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know how Cannoli - 03/10/2009 07:16:03 PM 1367 Views
Re: Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know h MissKoalaVB - 04/10/2009 12:55:55 AM 1620 Views
Is this the real stilling? Etzel - 04/10/2009 09:06:32 AM 1498 Views
It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 02:55:35 PM 1082 Views
Re: It's real stilling Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 06:46:58 PM 1637 Views
Re: It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 06:53:52 PM 1111 Views
I think Egwene took longer because it was the first time. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/10/2009 07:20:26 PM 462 Views
Not in my opinion Sidious - 05/10/2009 05:00:30 AM 1358 Views
How does that respond to what I said? fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:15:57 AM 927 Views
Re: How does that respond to what I said? Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:07:16 PM 990 Views
Doesn't make sense.... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:20:21 AM 907 Views
Re: Doesn't make sense.... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:30:04 AM 1033 Views
I disagree. Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 10:03:56 PM 995 Views
Re: I disagree. Sidious - 05/10/2009 04:58:04 AM 1042 Views
Then... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:12:45 AM 948 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:09:04 PM 951 Views
Re: Then... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:25:22 AM 1059 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:51:48 AM 968 Views
I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 06/10/2009 02:18:01 AM 1028 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:50:33 AM 1179 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2009 02:28:34 AM 1074 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 07/10/2009 08:20:34 AM 1010 Views
Well, you may, but I remain unconvinced . Fanatic-Templar - 08/10/2009 12:22:31 AM 1128 Views
I think it's too risky Sidious - 03/10/2009 07:21:51 PM 1072 Views
Of course, they should still be guarded with restricted access. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 09:02:21 PM 1141 Views
Re: I think it's too risky DomA - 05/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 989 Views
Sounds good, but the Aes Sedai aren't known for making the most logical decisions. Nice Post *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 07:47:36 PM 491 Views
oops i meant to put "aren't" but i accidently put are. It's edited now. Sorry for any confusion *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 10:26:50 PM 479 Views
I just thought you were being sarcastic at them *NM* Cannoli - 03/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 498 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 04:51:58 AM 1213 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM 1049 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 05:45:16 PM 1823 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM 1067 Views
To Clarify... Orlin_Artemi - 05/10/2009 12:30:28 AM 1153 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 05/10/2009 02:54:40 PM 1703 Views
Remember Shadar Logoth Ryan - 04/10/2009 02:49:06 PM 947 Views
The only thing worse than ignoring morality for pragmatism is moralizing a non-moral issue Cannoli - 04/10/2009 09:36:43 PM 1100 Views
Re: Remember Shadar Logoth DomA - 05/10/2009 06:05:54 AM 1066 Views
From Rand's viewpoint Ben - 05/10/2009 01:10:18 PM 1765 Views
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