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Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM

Con’s

1. It violates at least one (if not more) ancient law(s) that has probably been in place since the Trolloc Wars, if not since the founding of the White Tower.
2. Most sisters (not just the Hall) consider very old laws to “contain an aura of holiness,” and “consider changing such laws to be unthinkable.” [Robert Jordan, A Crown of Swords, page 219]
3. The act is excruciatingly painful and would probably be considered cruel and unusual by the standards of the White Tower.
4. The severed party might suffer irreparable psychological damage.
5. There is insufficient information regarding the restoration process.
6. Alternative methods exist to prevent prisoners from channeling.
7. Alternative (albeit not very humane) methods exist to foreswear oaths.
8. Alternative methods are favorable because they do not put an “innocent” party at risk. Anyone can be put to the question after they are found guilty and severed.


Cons:

1 and 2: Conceded.

3. Anyone that is a Darkfriend deserves all the pain they can get.

4. In severed women, we have not seen psychological damage. Sure, they start screaming, and weeping, but I would say that's akin to watching several family members die right before your eyes.

5. Not really. We know that some Asha'man have restored women to their full strength. We know Nynaeve healed Logain to his full strength. And we know that Nynaeve healed Siuan and Leane to a bit of their strengths. Therefore, logically, we can see that a man can restore a woman, and a woman can restore a man, to their respective potentials.

6. Shielding, but shields can be broken.

7. If we had the Oath Rod, which is currently occupied. Elayne and Rand do not have the Oath rod.

8. Conceded.
Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
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Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 05:25:29 PM 2305 Views
ya this does work fistofpainx - 03/10/2009 06:32:22 PM 877 Views
Totally Agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 03/10/2009 06:38:27 PM 442 Views
Makes sense, but... Etzel - 03/10/2009 07:04:27 PM 1039 Views
Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know how Cannoli - 03/10/2009 07:16:03 PM 1258 Views
Re: Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know h MissKoalaVB - 04/10/2009 12:55:55 AM 1536 Views
Is this the real stilling? Etzel - 04/10/2009 09:06:32 AM 1390 Views
It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 02:55:35 PM 992 Views
Re: It's real stilling Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 06:46:58 PM 1549 Views
Re: It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 06:53:52 PM 1022 Views
I think Egwene took longer because it was the first time. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/10/2009 07:20:26 PM 413 Views
Not in my opinion Sidious - 05/10/2009 05:00:30 AM 1280 Views
How does that respond to what I said? fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:15:57 AM 840 Views
Re: How does that respond to what I said? Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:07:16 PM 895 Views
Doesn't make sense.... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:20:21 AM 822 Views
Re: Doesn't make sense.... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:30:04 AM 931 Views
I disagree. Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 10:03:56 PM 915 Views
Re: I disagree. Sidious - 05/10/2009 04:58:04 AM 956 Views
Then... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:12:45 AM 856 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:09:04 PM 859 Views
Re: Then... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:25:22 AM 959 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:51:48 AM 869 Views
I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 06/10/2009 02:18:01 AM 918 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:50:33 AM 1070 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2009 02:28:34 AM 976 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 07/10/2009 08:20:34 AM 910 Views
Well, you may, but I remain unconvinced . Fanatic-Templar - 08/10/2009 12:22:31 AM 1041 Views
I think it's too risky Sidious - 03/10/2009 07:21:51 PM 989 Views
Of course, they should still be guarded with restricted access. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 09:02:21 PM 1053 Views
Re: I think it's too risky DomA - 05/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 898 Views
Sounds good, but the Aes Sedai aren't known for making the most logical decisions. Nice Post *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 07:47:36 PM 440 Views
oops i meant to put "aren't" but i accidently put are. It's edited now. Sorry for any confusion *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 10:26:50 PM 433 Views
I just thought you were being sarcastic at them *NM* Cannoli - 03/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 452 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 04:51:58 AM 1103 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM 961 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 05:45:16 PM 1716 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM 975 Views
To Clarify... Orlin_Artemi - 05/10/2009 12:30:28 AM 1069 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 05/10/2009 02:54:40 PM 1585 Views
Remember Shadar Logoth Ryan - 04/10/2009 02:49:06 PM 858 Views
The only thing worse than ignoring morality for pragmatism is moralizing a non-moral issue Cannoli - 04/10/2009 09:36:43 PM 990 Views
Re: Remember Shadar Logoth DomA - 05/10/2009 06:05:54 AM 976 Views
From Rand's viewpoint Ben - 05/10/2009 01:10:18 PM 1677 Views
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