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Ishamael/Moridin Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM

Ishamael has hurt the Shadow more than any of the main protagonists of the Light have.

Even in the War of Power, he was more concerned about turning Lews Therin than killing him. When Rand was born he had direct access to him on countless occasions but tried to taunt and convert him, rather than kill him. This applies to all of the ta'veren.

He injured Moiraine instead of killing her, and she became one of Rand's most valuable advisors, and the reason Lanfear failed against Rand.

Even since his rebirth he has forbidden his Forsaken to kill Rand, and he actively rescued Rand against Sammael. He didn't even fight at the Cleansing, and told the Forsaken to kill Rand only if they really have to.

His desire to have the Dragon as his puppet and subordinate has been the biggest detriment to the Shadow since the War of Power.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1861 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 1099 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 1039 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 977 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 1044 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 1058 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 1048 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1250 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 1007 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 468 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 1021 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 894 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 1074 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 1203 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 915 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 452 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 992 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 913 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 928 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 1027 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 938 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 1021 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 934 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 1066 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 852 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 984 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 954 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 958 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 951 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 922 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 914 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 1011 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 462 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 1213 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 1088 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 942 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 970 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 1027 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 895 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 442 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 1260 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 1012 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 876 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 1132 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 435 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 1047 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 1002 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 1000 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 901 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 1030 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 1099 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 1034 Views
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