Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM
His portrayal of Egwene at the end of the fight against the Seanchan has rendered it impossible. How do you parody-by-exaggeration a character as self-glorifying as she is? "I was a burning warrior, a hero called by the Horn." Because with overwhelming firepower, while standing on firm ground, she did some damage to people with much less firepower on the backs of flying creatures. Given the advantages she enjoyed in that fight, her performance was no more than could be expected. And she thinks that for doing what anyone in her position would have, or at least should have, she is heroic? Much less one of the greatest heroes of all time? She honestly believes that smacking away some people who came into her home (a feral animal is usually capable of rising to such a challenge) is heroic?
Of course, that probably says something about the Aes Sedai or Egwene that such a basic level of competence is praiseworthy. Hell, Saerin displayed better leadership! All Egwene did was find the big gun. She didn't lead the novices in anything more than making them into ambulatory magazines. She dispatched the most Seanchan because she had the big gun, and was the biggest threat, which the Seanchan professional soldiers naturally gravitated to. She killed the most because she had the power to do so, and because that drew them to her. She "drove them off" when they never had any intention of staying. By any standard their raid was a massive success, and NO ONE is a hero when the time and place of their triumph is called the worst day in the history of their side!
Compare and contrast Rand in tPoD with Callandor to Egwene in tGS with the rod. Rand is held as a hubristic failure because he killed some of his cannon fodder, but he genuinely stopped the Seanchan advance (with actual ground troops capable of conquering and holding territory) and seriously hurt them, in a defeat for which Tuon reprimands Suroth, and Semirhage in attempting to defend her can only say that she won't make that mistake again. Egwene on the other hand, is just as arrogant and bloodthirsty about butchering other non-Shadow people, except she does NOT provably or demonstrably stop them, and their operation, by the terms they set when planning it, is a spectacular success (and a success because Egwene made the secret of Traveling vulnerable in the first place - had she not been stupid enough to get involved in the harbor chain operation, the Seanchan would not have caught a single damane who could channel, and even if every Seanchan made it home safe but the Bloodknives, with a hundred damane, that would have been a far less successful operation than what actually happened! ).
So, a recap - Rand is upset and portrayed as a failure despite achieving his objective, because of impossibly high expectations based on his prior success in battle. Egwene is elated and pround of herself and viewed & portrayed as spectacularly successful and heroic, when those she fought consider their achievement worth the risk of the force they sent and still manage to bring most of their force home again, and those she "saved" experience "one of the greatest disasters in the history of the Aes Sedai." How do you mock that perception? I guess Sanderson found the only way to stop me - he outdid my parody in ridiculousness.
Of course, that probably says something about the Aes Sedai or Egwene that such a basic level of competence is praiseworthy. Hell, Saerin displayed better leadership! All Egwene did was find the big gun. She didn't lead the novices in anything more than making them into ambulatory magazines. She dispatched the most Seanchan because she had the big gun, and was the biggest threat, which the Seanchan professional soldiers naturally gravitated to. She killed the most because she had the power to do so, and because that drew them to her. She "drove them off" when they never had any intention of staying. By any standard their raid was a massive success, and NO ONE is a hero when the time and place of their triumph is called the worst day in the history of their side!
Compare and contrast Rand in tPoD with Callandor to Egwene in tGS with the rod. Rand is held as a hubristic failure because he killed some of his cannon fodder, but he genuinely stopped the Seanchan advance (with actual ground troops capable of conquering and holding territory) and seriously hurt them, in a defeat for which Tuon reprimands Suroth, and Semirhage in attempting to defend her can only say that she won't make that mistake again. Egwene on the other hand, is just as arrogant and bloodthirsty about butchering other non-Shadow people, except she does NOT provably or demonstrably stop them, and their operation, by the terms they set when planning it, is a spectacular success (and a success because Egwene made the secret of Traveling vulnerable in the first place - had she not been stupid enough to get involved in the harbor chain operation, the Seanchan would not have caught a single damane who could channel, and even if every Seanchan made it home safe but the Bloodknives, with a hundred damane, that would have been a far less successful operation than what actually happened! ).
So, a recap - Rand is upset and portrayed as a failure despite achieving his objective, because of impossibly high expectations based on his prior success in battle. Egwene is elated and pround of herself and viewed & portrayed as spectacularly successful and heroic, when those she fought consider their achievement worth the risk of the force they sent and still manage to bring most of their force home again, and those she "saved" experience "one of the greatest disasters in the history of the Aes Sedai." How do you mock that perception? I guess Sanderson found the only way to stop me - he outdid my parody in ridiculousness.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One.
- 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM
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I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER!
- 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM
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I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do.
- 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM
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I adore Brandon Sanderson.
- 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM
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Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson.
- 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM
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Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson.
- 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM
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Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series.
- 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM
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If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure.
- 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM
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Everything up to tGS
- 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM
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Re: Everything up to tGS
- 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM
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What on earth makes you think I dislike it?
- 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM
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General impression lately I guess.
- 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM
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Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is
- 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM
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so I guess ...
- 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM
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You want a friend like Mat
- 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM
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Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM*
- 30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM
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might I add..
- 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM
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Re: might I add..
- 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM
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I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws
- 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM
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Like others don't have flaws?
- 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM
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EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter!
- 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM
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Touched a nerve did I?
- 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM
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Re: Touched a nerve did I?
- 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM
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Re: Touched a nerve did I?
- 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM
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Bah
- 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM
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Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM*
- 30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM
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More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida.
- 30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM
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A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman?
- 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM
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Obviously.
- 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM
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I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM*
- 31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM
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Well...
- 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM
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Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value.
- 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM
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Tar Valon is a nation
- 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM
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The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon.
- 31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM
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The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument
- 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM
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It wasn't absurd. Just clever...
- 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM
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I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal.
- 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM
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Hmm.....
- 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM
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I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then.
*NM*
- 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM
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*NM*
- 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM
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Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen
- 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM
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The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her
- 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM
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It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
- 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM
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Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
- 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM
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Don't expect rationality from Cannoli...
- 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM
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Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987....
- 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM
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Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987....
- 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM
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Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
- 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM
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I have one question
- 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM
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Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible.
- 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM
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Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her
- 31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM
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I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much.
- 31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM
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I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills
- 01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM
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There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me.
- 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM
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Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz
- 07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM
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Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit.
- 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM
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- 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM
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Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit.
- 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM
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- 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM
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*NM*
double post, hate my computer. 