Egwene being tortured, humiliated, and nearly killed wasn't enough for you? Outchannel her? We've seen that already with her fights with the Forsaken. We've seen her collared. We've seen her almost become Myrrdraal fodder. I for one think she is what she is and a heroine nonetheless.
She is a stout hearted Two Rivers folk. Asking her to be not self-righteous (when she is in the right) is like wanting Mat not be a a rebellious, irresponsible "cool" character, or Nynaeve to be so stubborn, Perrin slow, etc.
Rand has big burdens, lost loved ones, lost a hand, almost went psychotic from mistreatment by Elaida's AS. But he still acts like a fool. So why not hate on him? But I don't, and I don't expect others to either. He has enough problems.
Why are you singling out Egwene? I understand if you just don't like her character, but you shouldn't (and thats a collective you to all Eqwene haters) be saying stuff like that when the character is not even that faulty. Sure the current Aes Sedai aren't that great, but it's what the world has, and they are doing what they do for the betterment of mankind. Boo on you. Off to the boo box with the lot of you.
You know who REALLY needs to be put in his place? Mat! He's been strutting around the ENTIRE series so far without any repercussion from his irreverence and insulting manner to others. Let's see. He has the knowledge of every general who ever lived, he has natural, UNEARNED skill with fighting that even bested Gawyn and Galad. He is lecherous and insulting to women. He gambles and drinks to run away from responsibility. And this is the character almost everyone loves to near death over a girl who is responsible, loyal, and genuinely nice? IDC if Mat's nice at his core, if I had a friend like him around me, I'd beat his ass up and tell him to man up, grow some balls, and fracking rescue Moiraine already. He's a ****ing lazy piece of ****.
Sorry if my rant went downhill there, but I'm tired of the Egwene bashing. I'm merely balancing sh*t out with some Mat hate.
She is a stout hearted Two Rivers folk. Asking her to be not self-righteous (when she is in the right) is like wanting Mat not be a a rebellious, irresponsible "cool" character, or Nynaeve to be so stubborn, Perrin slow, etc.
Rand has big burdens, lost loved ones, lost a hand, almost went psychotic from mistreatment by Elaida's AS. But he still acts like a fool. So why not hate on him? But I don't, and I don't expect others to either. He has enough problems.
Why are you singling out Egwene? I understand if you just don't like her character, but you shouldn't (and thats a collective you to all Eqwene haters) be saying stuff like that when the character is not even that faulty. Sure the current Aes Sedai aren't that great, but it's what the world has, and they are doing what they do for the betterment of mankind. Boo on you. Off to the boo box with the lot of you.
You know who REALLY needs to be put in his place? Mat! He's been strutting around the ENTIRE series so far without any repercussion from his irreverence and insulting manner to others. Let's see. He has the knowledge of every general who ever lived, he has natural, UNEARNED skill with fighting that even bested Gawyn and Galad. He is lecherous and insulting to women. He gambles and drinks to run away from responsibility. And this is the character almost everyone loves to near death over a girl who is responsible, loyal, and genuinely nice? IDC if Mat's nice at his core, if I had a friend like him around me, I'd beat his ass up and tell him to man up, grow some balls, and fracking rescue Moiraine already. He's a ****ing lazy piece of ****.

Sorry if my rant went downhill there, but I'm tired of the Egwene bashing. I'm merely balancing sh*t out with some Mat hate.
BOHICA - Go ahead, ask me what it means.
This message last edited by Bookwyrm on 30/10/2009 at 02:51:32 PM
Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One.
- 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM
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I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER!
- 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM
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I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do.
- 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM
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I adore Brandon Sanderson.
- 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM
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Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson.
- 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM
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Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson.
- 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM
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Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series.
- 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM
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If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure.
- 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM
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Everything up to tGS
- 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM
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Re: Everything up to tGS
- 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM
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What on earth makes you think I dislike it?
- 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM
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General impression lately I guess.
- 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM
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Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is
- 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM
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so I guess ...
- 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM
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You want a friend like Mat
- 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM
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Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM*
- 30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM
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might I add..
- 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM
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Re: might I add..
- 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM
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I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws
- 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM
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Like others don't have flaws?
- 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM
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EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter!
- 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM
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Touched a nerve did I?
- 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM
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Re: Touched a nerve did I?
- 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM
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Re: Touched a nerve did I?
- 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM
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Bah
- 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM
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Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM*
- 30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM
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More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida.
- 30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM
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A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman?
- 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM
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Obviously.
- 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM
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I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM*
- 31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM
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Well...
- 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM
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Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value.
- 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM
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Tar Valon is a nation
- 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM
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The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon.
- 31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM
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The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument
- 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM
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It wasn't absurd. Just clever...
- 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM
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I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal.
- 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM
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Hmm.....
- 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM
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I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then.
*NM*
- 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM
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*NM*
- 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM
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Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen
- 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM
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The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her
- 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM
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It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
- 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM
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Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
- 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM
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Don't expect rationality from Cannoli...
- 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM
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Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987....
- 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM
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Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987....
- 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM
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Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
- 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM
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I have one question
- 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM
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Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible.
- 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM
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Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her
- 31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM
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I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much.
- 31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM
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I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills
- 01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM
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There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me.
- 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM
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Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz
- 07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM
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Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit.
- 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM
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- 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM
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Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit.
- 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM
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- 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM
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*NM*
double post, hate my computer. 