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Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM
Because no one with even a shred of objectiveness in them, could discount what the Inn Keepers Daughter accomplished in this book.

Egwene took the fractured, corrupted mess that was the Aes Sedai before she arrived. She clensed the Black Ajah, and for the most part pulled all the various factions together.

Egwene took a group of channelers that before she arrived, was at best useless, and at worst a knife in Rand's back.

Egwene now has a group that can be a powerful weapon for Rand. She now has the Aes Sedai moving forward towards Tarmon Gai'don.


It's fine to hate a character, but to not acknowledge a clear accomplishment on several levels is appalling. I hate Elayne, but I didn't struggle to see the merit in her acquisition of the Sun Throne.
When was that, BTW? The only throne I know of her having is the Lion Throne. There is also the fact that she had the right to it under law, and gained it in the lawful manner. She did not rebel against the lawful (however incompetnat or obnoxious) ruler, divide the nation and re-arrange every situation in her mind to redound to her credit, or blackmail the people she was supposed to be protecting into following her commands. She is also careful to stick within established rule and law, but willing to make expedient changes to deal with the threats of the day. Egwene adheres to things because the Tower has always done them that way, but tramples over accepted rules and standards to suit her purposes and advance her cause.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2826 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. redhand - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 1194 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 1141 Views
Agreed! *NM* Mats imaginary friend - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 675 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 1064 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 1180 Views
Me too Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 1221 Views
Exactly. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 1059 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. thebestrob - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 1247 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 1092 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 614 Views
Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 1073 Views
Re: Ahhh. Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 1071 Views
Re: Ahhh. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 1117 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. Asha'man - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 1064 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1618 Views
Everything up to tGS Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 1298 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 1269 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 1166 Views
General impression lately I guess. Seriana Sedai - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 1071 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 1096 Views
Thanks. Seriana Sedai - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 1201 Views
double post, hate my computer. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 1199 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is Lord o' Salv - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 1044 Views
so I guess ... Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 1296 Views
You want a friend like Mat TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 1089 Views
Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM 618 Views
How so? What does he do that is detrimentally immature? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:05:07 AM 1100 Views
might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 1026 Views
Re: might I add.. Sidious - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 1119 Views
Re: might I add.. urizen - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 1103 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 1034 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws ajfurst - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 1143 Views
Like others don't have flaws? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 1102 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 1225 Views
Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 1288 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? thebestrob - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 1172 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 1205 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 1108 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 1120 Views
And you aren't? Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 1061 Views
Seems to me you're both right. Legolas - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 1082 Views
Bah Sidious - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 1160 Views
wait a sec... scalius - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 1223 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. entyti - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 1061 Views
Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM* Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM 601 Views
More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida. Seriana Sedai - 30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM 892 Views
Re: Bah Cannoli - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 1191 Views
Rant on! Rant on! rho - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 1026 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! Bookwyrm - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 1064 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? LTArmstrong - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 1188 Views
Obviously. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 1062 Views
I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM 493 Views
Well... Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 964 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 1089 Views
Tar Valon is a nation Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 1165 Views
The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM 1198 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument Legolas - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 1237 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 1172 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. Legolas - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 1161 Views
Hmm..... Sidious - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 1002 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* Legolas - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 489 Views
Not a problem... fionwe1987 - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 1082 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 1239 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen rho - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 1184 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 1020 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 1168 Views
*snort* *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 602 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Sidious - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 1133 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 1210 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 1190 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 1158 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 1149 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 1130 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 1076 Views
I have one question Sidious - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 1101 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. Cannoli - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 1122 Views
Capture OR kill Sidious - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 1176 Views
Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her rho - 31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM 1008 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 1018 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren rho - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 1036 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 623 Views
I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much. Legolas - 31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM 1195 Views
I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills Asha'man - 01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM 1242 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... Zeratul - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 1091 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 1055 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite Zeratul - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 1253 Views
Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz NaClH2O - 07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM 996 Views
Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Cannoli - 09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM 1041 Views
Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit. Sidious - 10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM 1189 Views
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