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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM
Everyone here has noted Rand's mass atrocity. Rand most likely killed dozens of Graendal's innocent pawns of Graendal when he balefired her palace. Rand did this to get rid of a necessary evil, and the people he killed were beyond saving anyway.
IMO, the only really bad thing Rand did was by burning them out of the pattern. Those people he killed will never have a chance to live again.

Contrast Rand's mass atrocity to what Egwene did. Egwene ordered the novices and Aes Sedai to kill all the Aes Sedai sisters that were captured by the Seanchan. Since Egwene was the brunt of the attack on the Seanchan-- we can assume that Egwene killed several innocent Aes Sedai-- possibly a dozen or more. Egwene also had to kill these Aes Sedai to achieve a greater good-- to keep the Seanchan from learning traveling. While it seems that Rand suceeded in his mission, Egwene was not successful in preventing the Seanchan from learning traveling.

It can be argued, therefore, that Egwene made a needless sacrifice of several Aes Sedai.

Who was worse in this case? If you were a judge, who would you penalize most? Also consider that Rand was insane and Egwene had full sanity.




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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2452 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 1139 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 1077 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1183 Views
But... - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1192 Views
The point is - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 912 Views
They were tried. *NM* - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 458 Views
Mock trials - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 1058 Views
Proof? - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 945 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 1011 Views
But... - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 1033 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 1122 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 1162 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 1074 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 472 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 1008 Views
Sad but true - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 961 Views
Based on those two actions... - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 1167 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 1093 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 495 Views
She did not target her own people... - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 1013 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 1045 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 458 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1358 Views
That's ridiculous... - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 1094 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 1041 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2595 Views
Nothing wrong with that. - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 1090 Views
She does have first hand experience - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 1067 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 1013 Views
Neither is an atrocity... - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1266 Views
this ^ *NM* - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 425 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 1043 Views
Bull Sh!t! - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 1120 Views
Come on now... - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 1043 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 1023 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 948 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 951 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 1017 Views
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Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 1070 Views
So... - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 1038 Views
Re: So... - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 913 Views
Not at all... - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 947 Views
Re: Not at all... - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 928 Views
Re: Not at all... - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 935 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 948 Views
Rand. - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 1125 Views
Re: Rand. - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1244 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 496 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 902 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1376 Views
Its the difference between - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 1033 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 912 Views

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