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Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM
...it's not like it makes them any deader. Getting outraged on their behalf doesn't make much sense.

The only extra risk by balefiring them (instead of just killing them in some other form of collateral damage) is the danger to the Pattern itself. And there's pretty much no other way Rand could have successfully tricked Graendal in order to eliminate her...

I'm outraged at the damage to the Pattern. There were so many ways Rand could have altered this.

Here's one...

He disguises himself as Ramshalan. He goes with the same message. However, he is holding the source all the while, and has the CK concealed with him.

The moment he gives his message, Graendal would try to compel him. All he has to do at this point is Balefire her.

Its pretty foolproof, since holding the source makes him immune to her compulsion.

There, Graendal is permanently dead, he know that she is, and the Pattern is not destabilized.


If this was so easy to do than why didn't Nynaeve or Min suggest this to him?

The pattern wanted him to do this.
If the pattern didn't want him to do this, than the pattern would have intervened. (Rand gets ready to balefire Graendal and the castle, just as he is about to complete the weave a pidgeon drops dead and falls on his arm knocking the Choendal Kal from his grasp)
All good things come to those who wait.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2000 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 746 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 449 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 413 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 303 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 751 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 405 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 568 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 724 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 594 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 611 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 537 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 722 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 655 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 757 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 796 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 538 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 265 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 620 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 554 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 632 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 600 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 701 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 750 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 653 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 535 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 591 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 278 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 564 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 536 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 735 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 638 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 299 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 595 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 649 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 282 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 940 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 627 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 614 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2204 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 668 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 663 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 580 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 628 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 867 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 245 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 667 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 681 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 596 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 609 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 526 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 543 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 620 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 559 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 596 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 498 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 595 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 662 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 615 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 529 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 539 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 530 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 538 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 566 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 689 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 691 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 298 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 533 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 953 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 771 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 580 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 494 Views
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