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Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM
...it's not like it makes them any deader. Getting outraged on their behalf doesn't make much sense.

The only extra risk by balefiring them (instead of just killing them in some other form of collateral damage) is the danger to the Pattern itself. And there's pretty much no other way Rand could have successfully tricked Graendal in order to eliminate her...

I'm outraged at the damage to the Pattern. There were so many ways Rand could have altered this.

Here's one...

He disguises himself as Ramshalan. He goes with the same message. However, he is holding the source all the while, and has the CK concealed with him.

The moment he gives his message, Graendal would try to compel him. All he has to do at this point is Balefire her.

Its pretty foolproof, since holding the source makes him immune to her compulsion.

There, Graendal is permanently dead, he know that she is, and the Pattern is not destabilized.


If this was so easy to do than why didn't Nynaeve or Min suggest this to him?

The pattern wanted him to do this.
If the pattern didn't want him to do this, than the pattern would have intervened. (Rand gets ready to balefire Graendal and the castle, just as he is about to complete the weave a pidgeon drops dead and falls on his arm knocking the Choendal Kal from his grasp)
All good things come to those who wait.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2298 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 1013 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 569 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 541 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 420 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 1054 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 525 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 821 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 975 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 869 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 987 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 795 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 993 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 933 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1045 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1055 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 791 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 385 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 890 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 826 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 891 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 909 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 988 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 1024 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 935 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 812 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 830 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 397 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 853 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 814 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 1003 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 916 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 417 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 897 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 911 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 394 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1211 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 947 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 891 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2472 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 944 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 952 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 859 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 908 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1129 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 354 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 917 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 979 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 897 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 891 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 798 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 828 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 880 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 809 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 885 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 771 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 844 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 954 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 895 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 795 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 819 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 808 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 807 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 837 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 962 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1103 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 407 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 778 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1236 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 1040 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 849 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 784 Views
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