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Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM
...it's not like it makes them any deader. Getting outraged on their behalf doesn't make much sense.

The only extra risk by balefiring them (instead of just killing them in some other form of collateral damage) is the danger to the Pattern itself. And there's pretty much no other way Rand could have successfully tricked Graendal in order to eliminate her...

I'm outraged at the damage to the Pattern. There were so many ways Rand could have altered this.

Here's one...

He disguises himself as Ramshalan. He goes with the same message. However, he is holding the source all the while, and has the CK concealed with him.

The moment he gives his message, Graendal would try to compel him. All he has to do at this point is Balefire her.

Its pretty foolproof, since holding the source makes him immune to her compulsion.

There, Graendal is permanently dead, he know that she is, and the Pattern is not destabilized.


If this was so easy to do than why didn't Nynaeve or Min suggest this to him?

The pattern wanted him to do this.
If the pattern didn't want him to do this, than the pattern would have intervened. (Rand gets ready to balefire Graendal and the castle, just as he is about to complete the weave a pidgeon drops dead and falls on his arm knocking the Choendal Kal from his grasp)
All good things come to those who wait.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2482 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 1260 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 645 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 623 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 527 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 1217 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 600 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 1009 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 1150 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 1046 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 1155 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 968 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 1173 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 1109 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1206 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1227 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 934 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 468 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 1092 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 977 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 1038 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 1059 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 1153 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 1198 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 1098 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 980 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 995 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 487 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 1045 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 988 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 1209 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 1146 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 522 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 1039 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 1080 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 468 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1390 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 1134 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 1078 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2621 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 1121 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 1097 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 1039 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 1078 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1291 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 441 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 1065 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 1158 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 1064 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 1051 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 975 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 982 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 1049 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 948 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 1039 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 935 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 1020 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 1098 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 1057 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 941 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 972 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 957 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 959 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 979 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 1158 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1275 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 508 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 926 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1414 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 1204 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 1066 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 938 Views
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