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Re: Knightscape Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM

They had as long as Rand did to formulate a plan to kill Graendal.


But had no hope that Rand would even listen to their plan. They also did not know Balefire was necessary.


He seemed to listen to them a great deal, even when he was being 'dark Rand'. If either had presented a doable plan that was less risky why would he not do it.


The forsaken are not ta'veren, they are not controlled directly by the pattern. Rand is controlled directly by the pattern. If you are going to call another argument bull shit, then you really should think out your own arguments first.


Every action of a ta'veren is not controlled by the Pattern. Go ahead and prove that, why don't you?


Perhaps right after you prove that it wasn't in the pattern's best interest for Rand to do what Rand did.


Show me how the Pattern would actually want Rand to use the True Power, for example. Or how it let him come so close to destroying it and all of creation.



Show me how the Pattern would want Rand to be a slave to a forsaken. The pattern directed Rand to do want was necessary for the pattern as a whole. Unless the pattern wanted Rand to destroy all of creation he wouldn't have.


If you can not defend your argument even when dead pegeons enter the discussion then you have truly lost the argument.


Really? Go drop dead pigeons into all the other discussions then. Try saying that Rand has no free will to other posters, and mention that a dead pigeon is supposed to stop him from what he is determined to do. I'd love to see the responses you'll get.


Has not the pattern intervened in the past?
Think of how Verin was led to Mat. The pattern gets what the pattern wants. The method the pattern chooses can very to anything as long as the end result matches what the pattern intended.
All good things come to those who wait.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2298 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 1013 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 569 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 541 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 420 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 1052 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 525 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 820 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 974 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 868 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 987 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 794 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 993 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 933 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1045 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1054 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 790 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 385 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 890 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 826 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 891 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 909 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 988 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 1024 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 934 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 812 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 830 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 397 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 852 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 814 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 1003 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 916 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 416 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 897 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 911 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 394 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1210 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 946 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 890 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2472 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 944 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 951 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 859 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 908 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1129 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 354 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 917 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 978 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 897 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 891 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 797 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 828 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 880 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 809 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 884 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 771 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 844 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 953 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 895 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 795 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 819 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 808 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 806 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 836 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 962 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1103 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 407 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 778 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1236 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 1040 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 849 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 784 Views
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