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Re: Knightscape Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM

They had as long as Rand did to formulate a plan to kill Graendal.


But had no hope that Rand would even listen to their plan. They also did not know Balefire was necessary.


He seemed to listen to them a great deal, even when he was being 'dark Rand'. If either had presented a doable plan that was less risky why would he not do it.


The forsaken are not ta'veren, they are not controlled directly by the pattern. Rand is controlled directly by the pattern. If you are going to call another argument bull shit, then you really should think out your own arguments first.


Every action of a ta'veren is not controlled by the Pattern. Go ahead and prove that, why don't you?


Perhaps right after you prove that it wasn't in the pattern's best interest for Rand to do what Rand did.


Show me how the Pattern would actually want Rand to use the True Power, for example. Or how it let him come so close to destroying it and all of creation.



Show me how the Pattern would want Rand to be a slave to a forsaken. The pattern directed Rand to do want was necessary for the pattern as a whole. Unless the pattern wanted Rand to destroy all of creation he wouldn't have.


If you can not defend your argument even when dead pegeons enter the discussion then you have truly lost the argument.


Really? Go drop dead pigeons into all the other discussions then. Try saying that Rand has no free will to other posters, and mention that a dead pigeon is supposed to stop him from what he is determined to do. I'd love to see the responses you'll get.


Has not the pattern intervened in the past?
Think of how Verin was led to Mat. The pattern gets what the pattern wants. The method the pattern chooses can very to anything as long as the end result matches what the pattern intended.
All good things come to those who wait.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2268 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 986 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 560 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 529 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 409 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 1024 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 516 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 797 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 954 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 836 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 961 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 772 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 964 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 906 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1016 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1030 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 764 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 376 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 864 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 805 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 865 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 876 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 963 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 1001 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 896 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 782 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 805 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 388 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 823 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 789 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 981 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 891 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 407 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 863 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 885 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 387 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1175 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 917 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 870 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2446 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 913 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 918 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 827 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 884 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1101 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 345 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 896 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 951 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 873 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 862 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 767 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 800 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 856 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 785 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 855 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 746 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 825 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 918 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 870 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 764 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 795 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 781 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 775 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 806 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 941 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1066 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 400 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 760 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1208 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 1010 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 823 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 761 Views
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