Active Users:604 Time:03/11/2026 10:50:44 AM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM
Everyone here has noted Rand's mass atrocity. Rand most likely killed dozens of Graendal's innocent pawns of Graendal when he balefired her palace. Rand did this to get rid of a necessary evil, and the people he killed were beyond saving anyway.
IMO, the only really bad thing Rand did was by burning them out of the pattern. Those people he killed will never have a chance to live again.
Never have a chance to be resurrected by the Dark One! Not never have a chance to live again! The Dark One can't resurrect them because by the time they die, it is too late to snatch their souls, according to RJ himself. I don't care what some Mormon with a laughably small vocabulary for a professional writer thinks on the subject.

Contrast Rand's mass atrocity to what Egwene did. Egwene ordered the novices and Aes Sedai to kill all the Aes Sedai sisters that were captured by the Seanchan. Since Egwene was the brunt of the attack on the Seanchan-- we can assume that Egwene killed several innocent Aes Sedai-- possibly a dozen or more. Egwene also had to kill these Aes Sedai to achieve a greater good-- to keep the Seanchan from learning traveling. While it seems that Rand suceeded in his mission, Egwene was not successful in preventing the Seanchan from learning traveling.
Not much an atrocity.

It can be argued, therefore, that Egwene made a needless sacrifice of several Aes Sedai.
So?

Who was worse in this case? If you were a judge, who would you penalize most? Also consider that Rand was insane and Egwene had full sanity.
Egwene - more insane than insane people.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
Reply to message
Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2482 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 1260 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 645 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 623 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 527 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 1216 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 600 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 1009 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 1148 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 1044 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 1153 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 966 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 1171 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 1107 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 1205 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 1226 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 933 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 468 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 1091 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 976 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 1037 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 1059 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 1153 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 1197 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 1098 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 979 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 995 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 487 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 1044 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 988 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 1209 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 1146 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 522 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 1037 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 1078 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 468 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1388 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 1134 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 1077 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2621 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 1119 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 1096 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 1038 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 1076 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 1290 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 441 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 1065 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 1156 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 1063 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 1050 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 974 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 980 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 1048 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 948 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 1039 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 935 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 1020 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 1097 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 1055 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 939 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 972 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 955 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 958 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 979 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 1158 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 1273 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 508 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 926 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1413 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 1203 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 1064 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 937 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes