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Re: Knightscape Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM

Because he was going his own way? He chastised Nyn
And since when is "my friends did not come up with a better plan" an acceptable excuse for an atrocity?


He may have chastised Nyn but he still listened to her.
As for an acceptable excuse for an atrocity, first you might start by proving there was an atrocity. You have failed to do this thus far.


The ripples of what Rand did were felt as far away as Bandar Eban.


There was ripples. No damage was shown to the pattern other than the intended target.


People in the know, from Nynaeve, to Cadsuane to Sorilea to Rand himself acknowledge that Balefire can greatly harm the Pattern, and large quantities can really destabilize it.


...and yet other than the intended target, the pattern continued.

The pattern would not let this happen if it were not in it's best interest


Now that I'm done, go ahead and prove what I asked you to.


Although I believe you have failed, see above for my response.


Read the damn books. The Pattern has no control over the DO or the True Power. RJ made it abundantly clear the Pattern cannot factor in the DO into its plans. If the Pattern wanted Rand to escape Semrihage, it would have ensured that Aviendha or Nynaeve or Cadsuane were present so they could stop Semi.
And if the Pattern did not want Rand to destroy it, if it had any control over him, i wouldn't have let him come all the way to Dragonmount, to the very brink of destroying all. To quote you, a dead pigeon would have knocked the CK out of Rand's hand when he attacked Tam.


The pattern planned for Rand to go to Dragonmount. Rand goes to Dragonmount.

At the end of time,
when the many become one,
the last storm shall gather its angry winds
to destroy a land already dying.
And at its center, the blind man shall stand
upon his own grave.
There he shall see again,
and weep for what has been wrought.

The pattern planned for Rand to find himself, Rand finds himself.

The pattern lets Rand do what he wants as long as he will still reach the goals the pattern has planned. When Rand tries to go against the pattern he gets tugged back into line. If you read the books you will find that this is most self evident.



Has not the pattern intervened in the past?
Think of how Verin was led to Mat. The pattern gets what the pattern wants. The method the pattern chooses can very to anything as long as the end result matches what the pattern intended.

In all the cases where the Pattern is directly interfering, the people being interfered with feel a tugging sensation. Perrin and Mat felt the same thing Verin felt when they were being pulled in one way or another by the Pattern. Rand felt no such thing when he went to attack Graendal.


Rand was doing what the pattern wanted so the pattern did not have to tug Rand in another direction. The tugging is felt when the pattern makes someone do something they do not want to do.

All good things come to those who wait.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2003 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 748 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 449 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 413 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 303 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 753 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 405 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 568 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 724 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 594 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 612 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 539 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 725 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 657 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 759 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 798 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 540 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 265 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 620 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 554 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 634 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 602 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 701 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 752 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 656 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 536 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 593 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 278 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 567 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 537 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 737 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 640 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 299 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 595 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 649 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 282 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 942 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 628 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 616 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2206 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 670 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 664 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 582 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 630 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 868 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 246 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 669 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 683 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 596 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 611 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 526 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 545 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 622 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 561 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 598 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 500 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 597 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 663 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 617 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 531 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 540 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 530 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 540 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 567 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 691 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 691 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 298 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 533 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 953 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 772 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 580 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 495 Views
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