Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already!
Ryan Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM
Though, from what I understood of ta'veren, the Pattern, and such that the Pattern allows for free will. It was discussed in the Eye of the World. Little changes, are alright, it is a pattern after all. Big world sweeping changes, are what ta'veren are for. To change the Pattern, or be pulled along by it to those changes, and to draw others around them along those changes.
As long as those goals are met the Pattern doesn't care. The Dark One is outside it's calculations. With the Dark One the Pattern can only be reactionary. As long as keys points are gotten too, the how of it matters little.
I think if Rand hadn't channeled the True Power, the Dark One would have won. He was in a situation he could not excape otherwise without outside intervention.
There is a saying. One death is a tragedy, a thousand a statistic. The damage and suffering Graendal could have continued to cause if left free would make a few hundred deaths acceptable. Rand had a lot of tools in his arsenal, but Balefire with its risks was the one he depended on, not just to kill her, but to ensure she stayed dead!
As to Egwene...she viewed she was sparring the Aes Sedai.
For us impartial observers it is easy to accept, or condemn, but the charachters motivations and goals need to come to mind too in any debate.
As long as those goals are met the Pattern doesn't care. The Dark One is outside it's calculations. With the Dark One the Pattern can only be reactionary. As long as keys points are gotten too, the how of it matters little.
I think if Rand hadn't channeled the True Power, the Dark One would have won. He was in a situation he could not excape otherwise without outside intervention.
There is a saying. One death is a tragedy, a thousand a statistic. The damage and suffering Graendal could have continued to cause if left free would make a few hundred deaths acceptable. Rand had a lot of tools in his arsenal, but Balefire with its risks was the one he depended on, not just to kill her, but to ensure she stayed dead!
As to Egwene...she viewed she was sparring the Aes Sedai.
For us impartial observers it is easy to accept, or condemn, but the charachters motivations and goals need to come to mind too in any debate.
The past is just that, the past. You can only truly live by looking to the future!
Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question)
- 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM
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Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured
- 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM
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That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM
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Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM*
- 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM
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In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM*
- 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM
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Wrong and unreasonable.
- 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM
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It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM*
- 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM
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"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured"
- 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM
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Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured"
- 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM
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Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day.
- 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM
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When teenagers were physically punished in schools
- 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM
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Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight.
- 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM
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Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens
- 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM
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Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens
- 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM
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Forcible turning is not the only method
- 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM
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But...
- 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM
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The point is
- 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM
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They were tried. *NM*
- 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM
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Mock trials
- 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM
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Proof?
- 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM
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And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death.
- 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM
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Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only.
- 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM
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They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM
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How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then?
- 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM
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There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM
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She did not target her own people...
- 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM
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You seem to be contradicting yourself here
- 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM
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Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM*
- 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM
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Considering the power she had in her hands
- 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM
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typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people
- 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM
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Nothing wrong with that.
- 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM
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Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question)
- 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM
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Neither is an atrocity...
- 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM
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Re: Neither is an atrocity...
- 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM
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Bull Sh!t!
- 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM
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Come on now...
- 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM
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Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM
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Re: Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM
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Re: Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM
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Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t
- 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM
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So...
- 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM
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Re: So...
- 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM
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Not at all...
- 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM
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Re: Not at all...
- 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM
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Re: Not at all...
- 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM
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Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already!
- 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM
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Rand.
- 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM
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But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM
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Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences.
- 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM
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Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing)
- 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM
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