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OK NaClH2O Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 08:15:08 PM
He said the AS killed only 1 forsaken. Actually they killed three. That they got immediately reincarnated does NOT negate the fact that they were killed.
This fallacy was central to his argument that the AS never did anything, as opposed to the Aiel or the Ashaman.

NaCl(doesn't anybody here understand English?)H2O


I agree with you, but I think that what the OP had in mind when he said "the Aes Sedai" was the Tower or the Ajahs (organizational units of the Aes Sedai), not individual Aes Sedai.

He is welcome to clarify, though.


If that is the case why did he disagree that the Aiel and the Ashaman were even more ineffective (using his own criteria)

NaCl(English can be precise, it was his(her?) lack of precision I object to)H2O
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Scored using your words NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 06:33:31 PM 940 Views
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There is no misrepresentation NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 07:45:18 PM 749 Views
The point I made is guttering flame - 19/11/2009 07:48:52 PM 741 Views
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And another point NaClH2O - 19/11/2009 03:05:45 PM 712 Views
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