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Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Sidious Send a noteboard - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM

You admit Cyndane's strength reduction is unknown. So where you place Graendal determines where you place Cyndane too. How do you know Graendal is tougher than Nynaeve and Semirhage?


You're right, my thoughts on Moghedien and Lanfear's strengths would collapse, as would my thoughts on Alivia, Sharina and Nynaeve :rolleyes:. You and Shannow are both fans of hyperbole.

At least I can sit back on Graendal's statement that a woman of greater strength is exceedingly rare, and her shock at finding Cyndane. What is your counter-evidence... that Semirhage is that rare woman? What is THAT based on?


Moghedien and Lanfear...no big deal. Everyone knows where they rank. That was kind of a low blow by you.

Graendal's statement about finding people stronger than her is suspect. I've pointed this out in a thread below, but so far not gotten a response yet. (I'm referring to my post with the 5 points). Anyway, do you think Graendal was being honest about only "very rare" people were stronger than her? That's Forsaken code for "I wish I were stronger than I really am." The Forsaken exaggerate their own strengths. And that is an RJ quote (well I paraphrased). The fact is, RJ said the Forsaken exaggerate their own powers.

As to where is my evidence about Graendal: BS' comments that only 6 people are above Nynaeve makes it more likely that Graendal is not one of them. That's my evidence. With Lanfear, Alivia, and Sharina absolutely above Nynaeve, then there's really only 3 unknown spots left to argue about.

You also haven't responded to my point below in the other post, about you having too many levels (eight) from Lanfear to Moghedien. That doesn't make sense. You need to bunch them up. Anyway, I await your response to my post below and then we can actually discuss this.


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Female Forsaken strength : a new post Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM 1762 Views
Except... Etzel - 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM 796 Views
There's no evidence for that Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM 747 Views
I agree with Sidious - we have no evidence at this time, so she should remain off the list kcf - 19/11/2009 04:38:31 PM 757 Views
It's common sense Etzel - 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM 704 Views
No, it's based on absolutely nothing Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM 766 Views
If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia... Etzel - 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM 689 Views
I didn't say that Sidious - 19/11/2009 05:07:33 PM 695 Views
Well, I think you are wrong... Etzel - 19/11/2009 05:35:27 PM 691 Views
Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start! Shannow - 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM 804 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM 812 Views
Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference... Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM 883 Views
But I'm not Sidious - 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM 781 Views
Let me ask you this... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM 823 Views
Very good point *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 01:38:55 AM 352 Views
One possibility Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 03:18:55 AM 765 Views
All assumption Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM 686 Views
Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM 658 Views
You don't know the significance of it at all Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM 777 Views
Why? Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM 1297 Views
Re: Why? Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM 642 Views
How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM 684 Views
Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM 676 Views
Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then? Shannow - 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM 779 Views
Probably not in this case Sidious - 21/11/2009 11:34:25 PM 662 Views
Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed. Logain - 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM 628 Views
Yeah... entirely Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM 643 Views
Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Logain - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM 656 Views
Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM 728 Views
Re: Let me ask you this... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:30:27 PM 694 Views
*correction*Re: Let me ask you this... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:32:02 PM 668 Views
my comments w/ edit kcf - 19/11/2009 04:37:27 PM 742 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:54:30 PM 805 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:42:15 PM 620 Views
What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM* callandor1000 - 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM 479 Views
http://13depository.blogspot.com/ *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 05:31:01 PM 363 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM 772 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity?? Tedtheman - 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM 780 Views
This perfectly matches my understanding of the situation. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 07:06:31 PM 642 Views
Seems good, except I'd bunch up the upper levels and place Nynaeve a little higher. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 09:46:16 PM 396 Views
Agreed! This make more sense than the previous list *NM* Basara - 20/11/2009 12:07:37 AM 402 Views
Too many levels Rurouni_Kenshin - 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM 765 Views
You are completely right about too many levels. Logain - 20/11/2009 04:17:17 AM 648 Views
21 levels is largely a myth kcf - 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM 653 Views
Re: 21 levels is largely a myth DomA - 20/11/2009 01:51:17 PM 789 Views
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff there. *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 03:14:12 PM 332 Views
That's good to know. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 07:56:41 PM 629 Views
I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. Logain - 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM 786 Views
I thought of something else to support my upper limit theory on gateways Logain - 20/11/2009 01:53:05 PM 771 Views
Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM 800 Views
Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve Logain - 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM 881 Views
Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM 687 Views
Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. taura-tierno - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM 1106 Views
Agree with nearly all Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:43:47 AM 652 Views
more hopefully to come kcf - 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM 627 Views
Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask. Shannow - 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM 871 Views
I'm the same way. I should be studying for law school finals, but I'm distracted. *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 09:45:46 PM 312 Views
A little more evidence that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 12:12:37 AM 654 Views
I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM 620 Views
It's possible Logain - 30/11/2009 08:23:28 PM 648 Views
Re: It's possible darius_sedai - 01/12/2009 06:18:56 PM 735 Views
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