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Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM
That didn't matter to the binder.

She didn't state that Gitara died without saying anything, she told two people who were there to lie, and which lie to tell.

She could not say that as a statement, but as instructions she could.

Intent and result.




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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2287 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1486 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1193 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 1147 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 1094 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1157 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 537 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1217 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 1111 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 1117 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 1078 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 1135 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 977 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 935 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 557 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 1146 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 1116 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 924 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 1046 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1149 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 1089 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 991 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 924 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 982 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 927 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 1004 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 1094 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 869 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 1012 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 880 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 1125 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 944 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1232 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 1161 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 958 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 1116 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 476 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 1025 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 914 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 916 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 961 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1261 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 903 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 930 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 888 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 915 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 914 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 964 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 854 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 920 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 930 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 1120 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 847 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 867 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 984 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 1060 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 1001 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 957 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 889 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 970 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 404 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 882 Views
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