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Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM
That didn't matter to the binder.

She didn't state that Gitara died without saying anything, she told two people who were there to lie, and which lie to tell.

She could not say that as a statement, but as instructions she could.

Intent and result.



That's the point, that she did state it. Aes Sedai can state things as long as you're not trying to trick someone, according to RJ.

There was a huge argument about this when NS was released

"You will tell no one about this, not for any reason. If necessary, lie. Even to a sister. Gitara died without speaking. Do you understand me?"


We're saying the same thing then. By "statement" I meant her making the affirmation that Gitara died without speaking. She didn't do that, she was merely telling people who knew how Gitara died how she wanted them to lie about it.

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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2114 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1319 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1036 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 996 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 954 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1000 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 459 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1045 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 971 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 954 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 898 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 952 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 821 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 804 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 432 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 961 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 947 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 791 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 879 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 986 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 914 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 840 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 753 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 816 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 770 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 864 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 937 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 715 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 787 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 733 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 906 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 789 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1020 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 990 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 784 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 943 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 405 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 824 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 737 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 740 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 774 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1098 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 753 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 779 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 738 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 762 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 770 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 800 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 697 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 751 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 773 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 968 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 699 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 683 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 782 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 879 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 833 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 797 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 736 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 790 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 340 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 731 Views
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