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Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman Send a noteboard - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM
But it isn't tiny and the point wasn't whether it mattered or not but if it constituted as a gap at all..which it clearly does. Or if it could really work with the wording of the Oaths. So no it doesn't matter because the Oath is a joke to begin with but whats your point?

No, it clearly doesn't.

Sarcasm is not intent to lie. If the AS believes the actual meaning of what is being said is clear to everyone, then she can say it. That is consistent with how the oaths have worked throughout the entire series.

This is a really silly topic to have spawned so much argument. That's my point.
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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2223 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1430 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1143 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 1095 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 1051 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1102 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 509 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1146 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 1068 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 1053 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 994 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 1078 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 919 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 895 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 514 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 1080 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 1061 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 886 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 984 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1088 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 1017 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 935 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 854 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 926 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 875 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 958 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 1028 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 814 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 948 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 821 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 1061 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 881 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1179 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 1096 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 895 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 1044 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 452 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 933 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 857 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 862 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 888 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1194 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 844 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 882 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 830 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 861 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 862 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 901 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 809 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 858 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 871 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 1071 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 795 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 801 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 916 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 984 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 930 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 903 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 832 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 885 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 387 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 827 Views
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