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I think all the main characters were forced Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM
We don't know. Nynaeve never describes a gain in strength after FoH.


But then, Nynaeve did participate in the cleansing, so she might be at full strength now. I'm looking forward to more quotes in the next book that might solve some questions instead of creating more.


Egwene certainly, but you're generally forced if you channel at high levels or strain. All of them have been in battles and in moments of desperation, and used angreal and sa'angreal.
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The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 03:32:03 PM 10788 Views
I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1975 Views
Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1908 Views
Fair enough but the problem is... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1719 Views
There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1803 Views
Re: Fair enough but the problem is... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1376 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 2019 Views
Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1709 Views
Indeed, and not only that Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1395 Views
Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1433 Views
Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 883 Views
why? darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1506 Views
Re: why? Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1570 Views
I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1534 Views
and yet RJ does Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1468 Views
Re: and yet RJ does darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1324 Views
Re: and yet RJ does Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1390 Views
No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1535 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 1307 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 1199 Views
Meh... Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 1212 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 1281 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1563 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1500 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1459 Views
Let's work with your figures... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1344 Views
Re: Let's work with your figures... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1327 Views
You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 847 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1420 Views
Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1447 Views
the obvious answer darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1303 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1329 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Logain - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 1280 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1462 Views
I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1567 Views
I think all the main characters were forced Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1426 Views
agreed! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1338 Views
but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1366 Views
What? Where? *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1398 Views
I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1363 Views
Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1297 Views
Don't links amplify stength? BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 1273 Views
The opposite, actually. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1360 Views
Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength Logain - 17/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 1240 Views
Re: Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:55:38 PM 1453 Views
What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Logain - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1508 Views
It means even Moghedien is vastly stronger than the average modern Aes Sedai... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:48:09 PM 1549 Views
Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1396 Views
Agreed! *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 765 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1516 Views
Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1433 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1641 Views
uhm.... yes she knows Oberonus - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1491 Views
Re: uhm.... yes she knows RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1370 Views
yup *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 713 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1440 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1637 Views
Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1393 Views
And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1392 Views
I hope that's not your standard for dueling Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1341 Views
what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1348 Views
How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? Logain - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 1297 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 1279 Views
Elayne says Egwene was at her full strength in TSR, and thus was stronger than she currently was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:25:31 PM 1225 Views
Elayne says Egwene was forced and was thus currently stronger darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:51:28 PM 1270 Views
Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 11:23:20 PM 1258 Views
Re: Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:25:31 PM 1312 Views
Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 776 Views
I'll check *NM* Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 720 Views
This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... Shannow - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1397 Views
No people just interpret things differently darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 1211 Views
But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 1150 Views
I think they are secretly just trying to make Lanfear appear that much stronger *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:17:38 PM 696 Views
You also forget something. Phelix - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 1263 Views
Re: You also forget something. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 1265 Views
Re: You also forget something. Phelix - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1293 Views
That has nothing to do with what I said... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 1276 Views
Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 1177 Views
Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 1228 Views
Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 1192 Views
I cannot. That's the point... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 1245 Views
Re: I cannot. That's the point... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 1274 Views
Sorry, but no... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 1271 Views
The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... Shannow - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1761 Views
but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 1260 Views
Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 1183 Views
In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 1203 Views
Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 1253 Views
What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 1175 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 1143 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 1254 Views
OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 1261 Views
1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 1154 Views
Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 1350 Views
The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1301 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1367 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1325 Views
You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 1306 Views
Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 1200 Views
Explain one thing to me... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 1232 Views
Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 677 Views
Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 1191 Views
This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 1217 Views
Can you provide the quote? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 1145 Views
Well, I was curious so I went and found it darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1346 Views
which is also suspect darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 1247 Views
No it's not Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 1210 Views
we're in agreement darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 1169 Views
OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 1241 Views
So, RJ made that statement for what reason? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 1201 Views
I don't think it's a lie BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 1265 Views
Agreed Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 1211 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 1204 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 1172 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 1238 Views
Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 1281 Views
I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 1290 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 1311 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 1267 Views
Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 1291 Views
Why are you entertaining this? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 1232 Views
The other poster showed no proof that RJ's math was wrong. Read what he said again! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:09:49 PM 705 Views
Verin's circle matched Granedal dude. And average strength does not mean great strength. fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:07:51 PM 1252 Views
Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 1245 Views
I can't imagine it being about skill Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 1274 Views
of course it's about skill darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 1265 Views
Not it isn't! Sidious - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 1290 Views
If she was only thinking about strength why then didn't she have a plan to add Sheriam darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 07:09:08 PM 1199 Views
I always thought that without her angreal... everynametaken - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1386 Views
Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. Heiko - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1480 Views
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