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A few points darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM
We know from RJ, BS and Slayer's PoV that Slayer got several gifts from the DO. How else should the DO grant these gifts, if not by the TP? Also Shadowspawn like Myrddraal or former humans like the Gray Men have "channeler-like" powers (e.g. a kind of Traveling or the ability to be invisible), which ultimately must stem from the DO, and thus the TP. It's ridiculous to believe that the DO gave Slayer unimportant gifts, since he obviously wanted to create a top assassin.


Even the creator of the Myrddraal had no idea how/why/what their powers were! And we don't have any evidence at all of the shadowspawn were created using the TP! In fact given the reluctance of the Forsaken to use the TP except at great need I find it far more likely that Aginor used the OP to create them.
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Fain's Myrddraal Etzel - 28/12/2009 01:45:58 PM 1934 Views
Nope, Myrddraal have been nothing but cannon fodder since book four *NM* Lordling - 28/12/2009 03:01:01 PM 494 Views
except, of course, for Shaidar Haran *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:12:17 PM 486 Views
But what was the purpose then? Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:43:01 PM 886 Views
To show the relationship between Fain and DO Bonden - 28/12/2009 03:52:59 PM 842 Views
Maybe... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:02:42 PM 918 Views
Re: Maybe... Bonden - 29/12/2009 03:58:57 AM 1124 Views
Re: Fain's Myrddraal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 03:19:37 PM 890 Views
Slayer also hunts Rand Etzel - 28/12/2009 03:57:11 PM 901 Views
I think it's possible that Slayer could have killed Asmo darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 04:35:57 PM 821 Views
The explanations Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:06:02 PM 1080 Views
Perhaps, I still don't buy it, but if that's the way it turns out I won't be shocked darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 05:20:06 PM 1004 Views
Your reaction would be similar to BS's then Etzel - 28/12/2009 05:57:44 PM 1951 Views
I don't really have a strong opinion on which suspect did it darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:03:07 PM 821 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/12/2009 06:42:16 PM 868 Views
Indeed *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 06:55:52 PM 438 Views
Re: The explanations RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 08:01:19 PM 749 Views
The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:13:07 PM 858 Views
Re: The case for Graendal was already weak before TGS... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:19:24 PM 925 Views
The reason is... Etzel - 29/12/2009 11:58:24 AM 896 Views
The reasoning is very weak. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:34:19 PM 897 Views
If you mean... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:01:25 PM 976 Views
A few points darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:14:12 PM 820 Views
You are wrong... Etzel - 29/12/2009 04:25:09 PM 819 Views
Thanks for the quote .. obviously hadn't heard that one before! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:31:37 PM 916 Views
Key word - "possibly" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:38:46 PM 822 Views
As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:06:47 PM 786 Views
Re: As said, if you just compare it to Alviarin's mark, it's clear. darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:08:09 PM 724 Views
Well, it protects you of Shadowspawn, not that bad. Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:12:04 PM 797 Views
I don't think what happened to Fain or Slayer are "gifts" darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:26:15 PM 728 Views
Slayer calls it "gifts" in his PoV Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:37:49 PM 768 Views
I think you are stretching the reality a bit darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:42:10 PM 809 Views
You confuse it a bit... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:57:07 PM 870 Views
I think you've got it backwards darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 07:12:02 PM 789 Views
However... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:16:08 PM 807 Views
I wasn't arguing that point darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:13:25 PM 1039 Views
Some things don't have to be spelled out, if they are that clear... *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:18:05 PM 763 Views
clearly they do since people are discussing it! darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:37:00 PM 748 Views
Yes; it is not readily apparant that the mark was made with the TP. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:07 PM 805 Views
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:24:54 PM 926 Views
You are incorrect; I'm actually thinking that you only skimmed certain sections! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:38:37 PM 863 Views
Simply read the books and what the authors said... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:55:42 PM 809 Views
Sorry, I think you have an opinion and read everything to support it in this case. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:02:42 PM 782 Views
Ok, then we play dumb, if you like... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:14:58 PM 902 Views
Because the Dark One is not merely a super channeler. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:21:21 PM 918 Views
Well, I disagree of course... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:36:19 PM 1028 Views
You are mistaken on quite a few counts. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 04:37:51 PM 961 Views
Actually... Etzel - 29/12/2009 05:04:54 PM 867 Views
BWB says... darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 05:48:40 PM 1110 Views
Exactly. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:12:30 PM 414 Views
Well... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:18:08 PM 920 Views
Just pointing out that your comment about Lanfear and Moggy not being assassins darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 06:37:21 PM 815 Views
No... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:47:07 PM 1033 Views
Re: No... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:00:20 PM 987 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:10:12 PM 754 Views
So you dismiss the actual assassinations the Forsaken have performed on-screen? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 775 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:47:57 PM 721 Views
I think any Forsaken is capable of doing it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 08:05:10 PM 818 Views
Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:16:50 PM 685 Views
Re: Then another Forsaken, e.g. Sammael.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 09:21:23 PM 787 Views
She kidnapped the Sharan's ... who's to say she hasn't killed others? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 08:17:28 PM 414 Views
Yeah, after TFoH! We are looking for clues before LoC, guys! *sigh* Etzel - 29/12/2009 08:31:13 PM 665 Views
Where did I say this was a clue to her doing it? darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:58:29 PM 897 Views
I don't say... Etzel - 30/12/2009 12:08:27 PM 987 Views
Most of what you are talking about with Slayer is discoverd after LoC darius_sedai - 30/12/2009 02:36:18 PM 886 Views
Re: Well... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 06:41:29 PM 795 Views
It becomes clear... Etzel - 29/12/2009 06:59:03 PM 733 Views
Basically, you think Slayer killed him. I do not. Nor do I care. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 07:04:20 PM 697 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Etzel - 29/12/2009 07:17:22 PM 466 Views
Re: Slayer also hunts Rand RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 04:39:36 PM 997 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/12/2009 04:54:07 PM 798 Views
Re: As said... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 07:49:22 PM 796 Views
It's rather the TP, which makes Slayer inhuman... Etzel - 28/12/2009 08:21:20 PM 759 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 09:45:08 PM 846 Views
Re: makes you wonder RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2009 10:16:57 PM 859 Views
I think... Etzel - 29/12/2009 12:03:41 PM 759 Views
Fain's Myrddraal killed asmo LOL *NM* aldapelan - 29/12/2009 05:26:22 AM 470 Views
It is quite obvious that it was Mistress Laras. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/12/2009 03:35:36 PM 439 Views
Intuitively, even. *NM* Gher - 29/12/2009 06:03:13 PM 431 Views
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