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I'd agree with that. Phelix Send a noteboard - 01/01/2010 10:20:52 PM
Dreadlords were both men and women, it wasn't just darkfriend Aes Sedai... so it wouldn't be right to call them AS, and IIRC, this was before Ishy had formalized the BA, so that didn't fit either.

I don't know if they would be Dreadlords or not... IIRC, RJ flat out said that Dreadlords were a product of the Trolloc Wars and did not exist before that. Now that we have the BA, I don't think we'll see Dreadlords, per se, again.

Well, since there will be Dark Asha'man too, there will be more than just BA running around, and it's not likely the Forsaken will allow for them all to be labeled new Forsaken!


Pretty much, I agree... the Dreadlords were called that because they weren't considered on par with the Forsaken from the AoL... which, really bothered me, because every AoL channeler who turned to the Dark was called Forsaken. It didn't matter what their strength or skill level was. Sure, the weak idiots were killed off, but they were still Forsaken.

RJ did say that Dreadlords was the name only during the TW ... but that all Dark Channelers were called Forsaken during the WoP ... perhaps Ishy didn't want the new crop to be called Forsaken and came up with a new name ... and IIRC there is a mention in the text of "new Dreadlords" ... but I may just be making that up


Naw, I think I recall that as well.

Maybe there will be a whole new name for the collective group


Maybe, but not likely.

I doubt that the meaning of a word would change that much in the 100 years of the Collapse, considering how much the "Good" folks were working to contain the changes the darkfriends were making.

Oh I think 100 years is plenty of time for connotation of a word to shift... look how much different the English language is today from 100 years ago! I don't think it's a stretch at all to think that Aes Sedai would have picked up that additional meaning, especially once there started to be AS Forsaking the Light and thus no longer being AS...


100 years in our time, is plenty... but remember, in the AoL, 100 years was more like 15-20 of our years, what with the extended lifespans of most people (100-120 years was average), not to mention Channeler life spans (6-900 years).

Note that there is no mention of serving the Light, the Creator, or the Pattern.

True it's not spelled out, but that doesn't mean it's not there. Modern AS clearly "serve" something, which is never directly spelled out. IMO the founders of the Tower, fresh from the Breaking and not too long out of the WoP, would have dedicated their service to the Light/Pattern/Humanity etc... after a few hundred years the meaning of the word would have shifted (assuming it hadn't already during the actual WoP).


It could have, but I don't see much evidence for that in the books... and we've had plenty of AS PoVs, plenty of opportunity for someone to mention it or think about it. Hell, we've seen people get raised to being full sisters, becoming Servants. Don't you think we would have seen this kind of fundamental meaning imparted during that process?

I continue to go back to the meaning of Asha'man and can't help but think Rand modeled his name criteria after similarities to AS, just like he did the training structure etc... if asha'man are basically guardians of "just" causes (i.e. the light), seems to me that AS could easily be servants of the light. It thematically fits the series as well ... balance of male guardians to female servants ... one serves the light the other protects it.


I think we get that balance just fine with "Servants of All." Especially with the idea that the servants dedicate their lives to using their gifts for the betterment of their world.

Anyway it's all speculation


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