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Elza's Compulsion Sidious Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM
I have thoughts ...

1. Brandon has confirmed that it is Verin's weave that is being alluded to here. I think Verin compelled those Sisters to support Rand, which was once again her underminding the BA. It also explains Elza's massive epiphany that she must help Rand reach the Last Battle.

2. She was told to tell Semirhage that she had Compulsion on her. This is most unusual. Firstly, it means that someone of immense skill delved her (Verin said she was the most Talented delver in the White Tower). Secondly, that person could not do it themselves. These two facts point to Shadar Haran, but he can only sense saidin or saidar, he can't tell what it is, and it's remarkable that he could sense such a minute amount in Elza hidden so deeply. It's also odd that he told Semirhage about it. My only thought here would be that it would help Semirhage explain any odd or unacceptable behaviour in Elza, which would prevent her from killing her for insubordination immediately. Yet, did Semirhage unravel this weave? She said it was very dangerous but she can do it. And yet, Elza later seems horrified at the situation she finds herself in - she even pleads to Semirhage. Either this is still the Compulsion in effect that Semirhage decided to leave, or Elza is shocked at Semirhage's cruelty and she can't handle it.

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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2164 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1087 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 956 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 887 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 1036 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 371 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 320 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 771 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 299 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 703 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 716 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 709 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 804 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 720 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 767 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 752 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1105 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 940 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 1026 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 961 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 869 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 678 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 708 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 680 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 677 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 797 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 701 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 728 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 706 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 755 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 715 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 730 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 679 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 722 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 708 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1112 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 727 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 747 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 677 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 319 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 932 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 960 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 787 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 786 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 737 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 942 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 785 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 798 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 759 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 668 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 858 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 740 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 690 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 783 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 679 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 659 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 744 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 754 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 672 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 772 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 728 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 619 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 671 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 776 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 972 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 851 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 776 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 790 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 840 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 789 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 815 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 807 Views

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