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That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM
Another key quote/Q&A from Brandon:

Q. Was the Compulsion which Elza told Semirhage about, Verin's work from after Dumai's Wells, and was it Shaidar Haran who told her about it and to ask Semirhage to remove it?

A. Yes.

So, we know for a fact that it was SH who told Elza about her Compulsion, AND told her to have Semirhage remove it.

But Graendal could have told SH! Nothing in this answer precludes that.
If Graendal was involved in this plot at all (e.g. it was Graendal who delved Elza and told SH about the Compulsion), SH would have had Graendal remove the Complusion right then and there, rather than tell Elza to go have Semirhage remove it. Especially since Graendal is the most expert on Compulsion of all the Forsaken, so we're lead to believe.

There's one reason why that wouldn't be true. The moment Graendal channeled to remove the compulsion, Semi would have sensed her. She would have suspected FS involvement in her escape, and smelled a trap.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1974 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 916 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 769 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 700 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 778 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 275 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 251 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 602 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 226 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 544 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 558 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 547 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 585 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 548 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 571 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 544 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 902 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 759 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 842 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 790 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 675 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 512 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 534 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 524 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 516 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 632 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 532 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 560 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 562 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 558 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 542 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 576 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 517 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 576 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 561 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 941 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 560 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 591 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 519 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 247 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 764 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 799 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 603 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 616 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 540 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 753 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 621 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 634 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 602 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 505 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 686 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 569 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 536 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 619 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 512 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 506 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 583 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 576 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 559 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 522 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 619 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 572 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 466 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 508 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 614 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 758 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 708 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 633 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 624 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 673 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 601 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 664 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 647 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 244 Views
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