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That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM
Another key quote/Q&A from Brandon:

Q. Was the Compulsion which Elza told Semirhage about, Verin's work from after Dumai's Wells, and was it Shaidar Haran who told her about it and to ask Semirhage to remove it?

A. Yes.

So, we know for a fact that it was SH who told Elza about her Compulsion, AND told her to have Semirhage remove it.

But Graendal could have told SH! Nothing in this answer precludes that.
If Graendal was involved in this plot at all (e.g. it was Graendal who delved Elza and told SH about the Compulsion), SH would have had Graendal remove the Complusion right then and there, rather than tell Elza to go have Semirhage remove it. Especially since Graendal is the most expert on Compulsion of all the Forsaken, so we're lead to believe.

There's one reason why that wouldn't be true. The moment Graendal channeled to remove the compulsion, Semi would have sensed her. She would have suspected FS involvement in her escape, and smelled a trap.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2162 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1085 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 954 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 885 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 1034 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 371 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 320 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 770 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 299 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 702 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 715 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 708 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 803 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 719 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 765 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 750 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1104 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 939 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 1024 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 961 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 868 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 675 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 706 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 678 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 675 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 795 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 700 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 728 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 704 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 754 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 715 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 729 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 677 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 720 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 707 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1112 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 727 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 747 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 676 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 319 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 931 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 958 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 785 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 784 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 736 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 941 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 784 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 797 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 759 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 666 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 856 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 739 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 688 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 781 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 677 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 657 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 744 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 753 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 726 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 670 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 770 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 726 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 618 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 669 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 775 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 969 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 850 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 776 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 788 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 840 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 787 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 813 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 805 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 319 Views
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