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It proves enough for me ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM
There's one reason why that wouldn't be true. The moment Graendal channeled to remove the compulsion, Semi would have sensed her. She would have suspected FS involvement in her escape, and smelled a trap.


That's just grasping at straws, IMHO. We don't know that Semi would have felt Graendal - it depends on a whole lot of things we have no idea about. Where did SH meet with Elza initially? Was it near enough to Semi that she'd have felt if Graendal channeled? Even if it was near enough, perhaps SH could have prevented Semi from feeling anything - we know he has special abilities with blocking Shadow minions from the True Source. And, even IF Semi felt something, she'd have had no idea what it was. For all she would know, it could simply be Nynaeve channeling. To suggest that she would immediately leap to the conclusion that another FS was nearby, and that she was being set up, is highly implausible.

Not to mention ... if Semi could have felt Graendal remove the Compulsion, then she could have felt her delve Elza, too. There's no reason to think that the delving would be safer than the removing, which is essentially what you are suggesting.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2162 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1085 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 954 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 885 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 1034 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 371 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 320 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 770 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 299 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 702 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 715 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 708 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 803 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 719 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 765 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 750 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1104 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 939 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 1024 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 961 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 869 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 676 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 706 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 678 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 675 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 795 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 700 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 728 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 704 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 754 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 715 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 729 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 677 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 720 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 708 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1112 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 727 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 747 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 676 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 319 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 931 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 958 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 785 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 784 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 736 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 941 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 784 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 797 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 759 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 666 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 857 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 740 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 688 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 782 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 677 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 657 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 744 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 753 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 670 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 770 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 726 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 618 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 669 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 775 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 969 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 850 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 776 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 788 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 840 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 788 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 814 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 805 Views

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