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It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM
I'd say it's easier to explain that a channeler taught Elza a few tricks (maybe in TAR where she couldn't remove the Compulsion) ... than have some convoluted new SH power...


We know the Shadow can muck around with its minions' minds - look at what was done to Fain, for example. I'd say that was much more complex than what I suggested was done to Elza.

As for your TAR idea to explain why the Compulsion wasn't removed ... I could buy that. If that were the case, though, then it seems more likely that it would have been Cyndane or Moggy who taught the weaves, rather than Graendal. Presumably, SH could have rounded up one of Moridin's pets more quickly than Graendal. And even if it was Graendal, I wouldn't consider that as direct involvement in what happened to Semirhage. This idea is more of an incidental involvement - the weave-teacher (Graendal or whoever) likely had no idea (and wouldn't have been told) what was being planned for Semirhage, even if she knew that Elza was in the same camp as Semirhage.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2090 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1009 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 890 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 813 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 940 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 322 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 288 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 696 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 266 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 643 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 654 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 646 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 719 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 643 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 691 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 642 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1023 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 873 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 963 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 893 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 807 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 613 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 648 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 621 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 613 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 739 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 631 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 661 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 649 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 688 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 650 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 669 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 608 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 664 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 653 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1050 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 653 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 691 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 612 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 288 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 871 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 891 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 719 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 711 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 657 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 867 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 721 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 730 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 694 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 608 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 792 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 673 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 633 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 719 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 610 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 593 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 676 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 686 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 665 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 609 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 710 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 667 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 562 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 608 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 714 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 896 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 790 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 718 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 723 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 780 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 704 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 754 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 730 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 287 Views
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