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Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM
I think it's likely someone was involved in teaching a few weaves at the instruction of SH or Moridin, but the more I think about it the more I think that person was probably never even present in the manor.


That scenario is much more plausible, I think, than the one that places Graendal (or any other FS) in the manor with SH.

In fact, if it weren't for BS's Q&A comments on the matter, I'd think this was the most likely scenario. It's just that, BS's comments seem to imply that it was SH who gave her the knowledge of the weaves. So, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on SH (even though it does give him some new funky mind powers). But I wouldn't bet a lot, because I'm far from certain.

I think that person was most likely Graendal only because of the Compulsion element and her proximity, and her instructions from Moridin were in-line with this situation. IMO Graendal probably discovered Elza's Compulsion when teaching her, told SH about it and moved on to other projects.


The only way Graendal would have known that teaching Elza was in line with her instructions (and therefore that we, the readers, should associate her involvement as such) is if she'd been told what was going to happen after Elza learned the weaves. But, I highly doubt she'd have been told that information - there would be no reason to tell her, and the Shadow is not known for its willingness to share information with those minions who are not in a need-to-know position.

Still, if there was a teacher, Granedal, Cyndane, and Moggy are the most likely candidates. And (presumably) you're right about Graendal being closest in proximity, of the 3.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2141 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 1065 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 941 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 863 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 1006 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 363 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 308 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 753 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 290 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 688 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 699 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 693 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 784 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 699 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 745 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 708 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1076 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 922 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 1008 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 941 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 855 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 656 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 690 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 663 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 657 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 782 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 676 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 709 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 689 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 739 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 697 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 716 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 658 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 706 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 693 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1095 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 705 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 733 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 662 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 309 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 916 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 940 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 768 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 761 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 710 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 918 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 765 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 783 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 744 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 653 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 835 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 726 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 673 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 765 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 658 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 641 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 726 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 737 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 710 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 655 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 755 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 711 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 604 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 653 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 761 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 947 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 833 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 762 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 773 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 826 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 763 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 795 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 790 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 310 Views
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