Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM
That scenario is much more plausible, I think, than the one that places Graendal (or any other FS) in the manor with SH.
In fact, if it weren't for BS's Q&A comments on the matter, I'd think this was the most likely scenario. It's just that, BS's comments seem to imply that it was SH who gave her the knowledge of the weaves. So, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on SH (even though it does give him some new funky mind powers). But I wouldn't bet a lot, because I'm far from certain.
In fact, if it weren't for BS's Q&A comments on the matter, I'd think this was the most likely scenario. It's just that, BS's comments seem to imply that it was SH who gave her the knowledge of the weaves. So, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on SH (even though it does give him some new funky mind powers). But I wouldn't bet a lot, because I'm far from certain.
I don't read that into his quote at all ... all he really said was that Elza was given knowledge of weaves... there is nothing in his quotes that I've seen that says anything about SH personally giving her this knowledge... of course there's nothing to say he didn't either, I just think the simple explanation is that one of the FS women taught her.
The only way Graendal would have known that teaching Elza was in line with her instructions (and therefore that we, the readers, should associate her involvement as such) is if she'd been told what was going to happen after Elza learned the weaves. But, I highly doubt she'd have been told that information - there would be no reason to tell her, and the Shadow is not known for its willingness to share information with those minions who are not in a need-to-know position.
Still, if there was a teacher, Granedal, Cyndane, and Moggy are the most likely candidates. And (presumably) you're right about Graendal being closest in proximity, of the 3.
Still, if there was a teacher, Granedal, Cyndane, and Moggy are the most likely candidates. And (presumably) you're right about Graendal being closest in proximity, of the 3.
Graendal is smart, so if she was told to teach Elza (who she must know is with Rand) these weaves it's not much of a stretch to see how they fit into what she's been told to do...
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Elza's Compulsion
14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM
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I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story
14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM
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I disagree
14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM
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except work with Semirhage!
14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM
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Well...
14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM
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SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM*
14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM
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Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM*
15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM
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that's your interpretation of the quote
15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM
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This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM*
16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM
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As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes
16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM
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The question is...
16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM
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Re: The question is...
16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM
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Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM*
16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM
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I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that
16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM
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BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though
16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM
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always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently?
16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM
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I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ...
14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM
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That doesn't prove anything...
14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM
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Re: That doesn't prove anything...
15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM
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not really
15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM
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I don't understand your theory
16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM
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It's very simple
16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM
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So in other words
17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM
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no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct
17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM
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Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct
18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM
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I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head
18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM
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Here's Brandon's one answer
18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM
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But...
18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM
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But by this logic...
18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM
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Yes...
18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM
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While you are right...
18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM
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as we've discussed in another thread
18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM
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I mean...
19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM
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Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL?
19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM
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"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote.
19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM
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Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM*
19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM
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See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret...
18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM
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Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later
14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM
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Anything is possible ...
14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM
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who knows
14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM
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It's not all that convoluted, though ...
15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM
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Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end
15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM
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Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end
15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM
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Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end
15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM
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Good point!
15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM
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what doesn't make sense about this to me
15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM
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Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me
15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM
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this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that
15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM
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As it is often the case...
16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM
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go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please.
16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM
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Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story
14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM
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Uhhh?
14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM
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One point
14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM
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Elza truly believes that...
14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM
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Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion"
14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM
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So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed.
15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM
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Not quite
14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM
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But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM*
16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM
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