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Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM
That scenario is much more plausible, I think, than the one that places Graendal (or any other FS) in the manor with SH.

In fact, if it weren't for BS's Q&A comments on the matter, I'd think this was the most likely scenario. It's just that, BS's comments seem to imply that it was SH who gave her the knowledge of the weaves. So, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on SH (even though it does give him some new funky mind powers). But I wouldn't bet a lot, because I'm far from certain.


I don't read that into his quote at all ... all he really said was that Elza was given knowledge of weaves... there is nothing in his quotes that I've seen that says anything about SH personally giving her this knowledge... of course there's nothing to say he didn't either, I just think the simple explanation is that one of the FS women taught her.


The only way Graendal would have known that teaching Elza was in line with her instructions (and therefore that we, the readers, should associate her involvement as such) is if she'd been told what was going to happen after Elza learned the weaves. But, I highly doubt she'd have been told that information - there would be no reason to tell her, and the Shadow is not known for its willingness to share information with those minions who are not in a need-to-know position.

Still, if there was a teacher, Granedal, Cyndane, and Moggy are the most likely candidates. And (presumably) you're right about Graendal being closest in proximity, of the 3.


Graendal is smart, so if she was told to teach Elza (who she must know is with Rand) these weaves it's not much of a stretch to see how they fit into what she's been told to do...
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1952 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 896 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 740 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 680 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 745 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 270 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 243 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 583 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 218 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 517 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 538 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 526 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 564 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 528 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 550 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 525 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 882 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 742 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 822 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 767 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 653 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 494 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 513 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 505 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 495 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 613 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 515 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 540 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 543 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 535 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 522 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 558 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 495 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 556 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 540 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 919 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 537 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 559 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 498 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 241 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 745 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 779 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 583 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 594 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 518 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 736 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 601 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 608 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 578 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 485 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 664 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 549 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 518 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 599 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 492 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 487 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 563 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 557 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 499 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 598 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 555 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 446 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 488 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 593 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 734 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 690 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 609 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 605 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 652 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 584 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 643 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 630 Views

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