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Yes... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM

One could also argue that a renegade Eelfinn gave Elza this knowledge, or something like that, simply because this statement doesn't preclude it. The point is that nothing suggests that Graendal was involved, and since this idea actually differs from what we see in the book, namely only SH and Elza present, one has to give evidence for this Graendal-idea if one thinks it's that likely. As said, also all of BS's other quotes on this topic indicate that only SH and Elza were involved, because only they are mentioned.


The problem here is not that I'm using Brandon's case to support our theory. I'm not. All I'm saying is you can't use it to prove me wrong. You have to come up with something else.

If I did claim that an Eelfinn gave Elza the knowledge, you cannot disprove it by this statement from Brandon. There's a load of other evidence against that, unlike my claim that Graendal helped.
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Elza's Compulsion - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 1973 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 915 Views
I disagree - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 769 Views
except work with Semirhage! - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 700 Views
Well... - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 777 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 275 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 251 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 602 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 226 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 543 Views
The question is... - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 557 Views
Re: The question is... - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 547 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 584 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 547 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 571 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 544 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 902 Views
I know... - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 759 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 841 Views
That doesn't prove anything... - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 789 Views
It proves enough for me ... - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 674 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 512 Views
not really - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 533 Views
I don't understand your theory - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 524 Views
It's very simple - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 516 Views
So in other words - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 631 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 532 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 559 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 562 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 558 Views
But... - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 541 Views
Exactly my point - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 575 Views
But by this logic... - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 517 Views
Yes... - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 576 Views
While you are right... - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 560 Views
as we've discussed in another thread - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 940 Views
I mean... - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 560 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 591 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 519 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 247 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 764 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 798 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 602 Views
I have a hard time... - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 615 Views
I agree with you - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 540 Views
and you may very well be correct - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 753 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 621 Views
Anything is possible ... - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 634 Views
who knows - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 601 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 504 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 685 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 568 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 536 Views
Good point! - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 618 Views
Re: Good point! - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 511 Views
I agree - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 506 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 582 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 575 Views
damn double posting - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 522 Views
As it is often the case... - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 618 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 571 Views
Well... - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 466 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 507 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 614 Views
Uhhh? - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 757 Views
One point - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 707 Views
Re: One point - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 633 Views
Elza truly believes that... - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 624 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 673 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 601 Views
fair enough - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 663 Views
Not quite - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 646 Views

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