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While you are right... Etzel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM
That it doesn't kill the "Graendal was there"-theory, all the quotes rather indicate that truly just SH and Elza were involved - as it seems to be the case in the book - because only these two characters are mentioned regarding the scene. It seems especially unlikely that the Compulsion expert Graendal was apparently needed to find out that Elza was under Compulsion and to teach her the necessary weaves, but that Graendal wouldn't remove the Compulsion then or simply take the DM herself (after probably checking what weaves would actually be needed for Elza to open the box ). It's even said that Elza was "essential" for SH for getting things done (since SH is limited in affecting the physical world), though one wonders why SH couldn't use Graendal, if she was anyway already involved.

Ah, well, we will see.
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Elza's Compulsion Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:41:04 PM 2067 Views
I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:12:05 PM 990 Views
I disagree Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:27:27 PM 871 Views
except work with Semirhage! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:34:37 PM 795 Views
Well... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:43:40 PM 910 Views
SH can't channel thus can't teach Elza anything *NM* darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:20:19 PM 317 Views
Yeah, but according to BS, he apparently could "give her the knowledge". *shrug* *NM* Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:16:22 AM 282 Views
that's your interpretation of the quote darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:58:30 PM 675 Views
This and the others quotes suggest that only SH and Elza were involved *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:51:24 AM 260 Views
As I said that's certainly one of of interpreting the quotes darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:46:55 PM 619 Views
The question is... Etzel - 16/01/2010 03:59:24 PM 635 Views
Re: The question is... darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:02:55 PM 630 Views
Yeah, as I said elsewhere, would be a nice question for BS, if there was another Forsaken. *NM* Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:08:05 PM 692 Views
I bet you anything he'd giva a big fat RAFO to that darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:08:58 PM 621 Views
BS spoke quite openly about this scene, though Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:16:09 PM 673 Views
always worth a try, but wasn't he asked to be less open recently? darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:31:54 PM 619 Views
Shaidar Haran can't channel. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:34:51 PM 1004 Views
I know... Etzel - 14/01/2010 09:45:15 PM 852 Views
I agree with you, for a related but slightly different reason ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 09:58:28 PM 941 Views
That doesn't prove anything... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 10:07:46 PM 874 Views
It proves enough for me ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:26:28 PM 785 Views
Re: That doesn't prove anything... Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:03:05 AM 590 Views
not really darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:29:25 PM 625 Views
I don't understand your theory Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:08:03 PM 596 Views
It's very simple darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:17:36 PM 591 Views
So in other words Sidious - 17/01/2010 06:31:58 PM 718 Views
no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 06:43:41 PM 615 Views
Re: no I'd continue to insist that something disproved was correct Sidious - 18/01/2010 04:48:33 AM 640 Views
I'm talking about implanting knowledge into someone elses head darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 05:37:32 AM 626 Views
Here's Brandon's one answer Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 656 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 05:48:54 PM 626 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 06:24:25 PM 650 Views
But by this logic... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:50:43 PM 592 Views
Yes... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 07:00:40 PM 645 Views
While you are right... Etzel - 18/01/2010 08:44:19 PM 637 Views
as we've discussed in another thread darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:08:56 PM 1033 Views
I mean... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:21:39 PM 632 Views
Weren't they specifically called Weaves that haven't been seen since the AoL? darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:26:38 PM 674 Views
"Elza had been given knowledge of several rarely known weaves" is the quote. Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:14:22 PM 591 Views
Well if they were secret Ajah weaves someone would have recognized them *NM* darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:21:19 PM 282 Views
Maybe secret BA weaves... Etzel - 19/01/2010 06:37:42 PM 850 Views
Possible since she was the only BA in the area darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:40:38 PM 875 Views
See, I think there's reason for her presence to be kept secret... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 09:10:43 PM 697 Views
I have a hard time... Etzel - 19/01/2010 02:17:52 PM 693 Views
I agree with you Sidious - 19/01/2010 04:45:59 PM 633 Views
and you may very well be correct darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 05:39:02 PM 844 Views
Yet Rand/LTT tells us only a few chapters later darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 10:27:57 PM 697 Views
Anything is possible ... Shishka - 14/01/2010 10:54:46 PM 712 Views
who knows darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:21:43 PM 672 Views
It's not all that convoluted, though ... Shishka - 15/01/2010 03:26:01 PM 584 Views
Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 05:57:10 PM 773 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:25:32 PM 654 Views
Re: Cyndane/Moggy/Graendal it all amounts to the same in the end darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:44:26 PM 613 Views
Good point! Etzel - 15/01/2010 07:19:00 AM 695 Views
Re: Good point! Shishka - 15/01/2010 05:30:12 PM 594 Views
I agree Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:50:09 AM 573 Views
what doesn't make sense about this to me darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 06:04:45 PM 658 Views
Re: what doesn't make sense about this to me Shishka - 15/01/2010 06:29:59 PM 666 Views
this makes my head hurt ... or maybe all that red wine I drank last night is doing that darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:23 PM 644 Views
damn double posting darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 07:04:56 PM 594 Views
As it is often the case... Etzel - 16/01/2010 09:30:56 AM 689 Views
go re-read my statements and quit putting words in my mouth please. darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 03:59:52 PM 652 Views
Well... Etzel - 16/01/2010 04:14:28 PM 545 Views
as I said it's also possible that SH has new abilities darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:33:30 PM 585 Views
Re: I think Graendal was involved on some level in this part of the story RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 09:30:53 PM 692 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:13:13 PM 865 Views
One point darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:20:09 PM 773 Views
Re: One point Oberonus - 14/01/2010 09:32:00 PM 702 Views
Elza truly believes that... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:38:35 PM 703 Views
Elza "found a reason to follow the Compulsion" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 11:23:33 PM 757 Views
So, it came from her, and would not go when the Compulsion was removed. Cannoli - 15/01/2010 05:56:32 AM 682 Views
fair enough darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 04:34:05 PM 735 Views
Not quite rAndy aL - 14/01/2010 09:38:45 PM 712 Views
But that could mean that they were to start the LB between Rand and the Great Lord immediately *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 16/01/2010 01:04:32 PM 278 Views
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