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My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. Shishka Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM
Until recently, I've been clinging strongly to my theory that Lanfear was burnt out when Mo pushed her through the 'Finn doorway, and that, after she freed herself from being held by the 'Finn (or was rescued), she returned to SG where the DO transmigrated her into a new body (even though she was still alive) in order to restore her abililty to channel (because I don't think being burnt out can be Healed).

However, there are some recent BS Q&As that pretty much disprove this theory.

Q: So, considering Jordan's statement about stilling and burning out not affecting the channeling ability of the new life of a soul, is it the same for the new life of a soul transmigrated?

A: I’m going to say that transmigrated...if you were burned out and transmigrated you would still be burned out, is my guess.

Q: Is that a MAFO [ask Maria and Find Out] question? Or...

A: That is my guess, and you can MAFO it if you want to send it to me, but that is a “I’m pretty sure” answer.


In the same sequence of Q&A above, BS also said:

Q: So, we will understand then in the next book why [re Cyndane] there is a decrease in Power but not a significant decrease?

A: Yes.


So, from this last quote, we can see that BS knows exactly why Cyndane is weaker in the OP than when she was Lanfear. And if he knows that, he knows exactly how/why Lanfear got the Cyndane body in the first place (BS didn't actually state outright that Cyndane=Lanfear, but as far as I'm concerned that's not an arguable point).

Yet, from the first quote, he's mostly sure that if you are burned out and then transmigrated, you will still be burned out in the new body. Even if he's wrong, it's clear that my burned out / transmigration theory re Lanfear/Cyndane is wrong - otherwise, BS would be 100% sure (one way or the other) on the issue.

Anyway ... if he's right on the burned out / transmigration issue, that surprises me. Because, when Aginor died, he drew on enough OP (from the Eye) to kill himself. And, you'd think he'd have been burned out simultaneously - it's hard to imagine that he could draw enough OP to kill himself without also burning out. Yet, when he was transmigrated, he wasn't burned out. *shrugs*

Also ... in the same set of Q&A, BS said that he originally thought that Cyndane was very weak (because he thought she should be), but that Maria showed him some RJ notes that explained otherwise. He also said that Cyndane's current strength in the OP is her actual strength - i.e that her strength is not being manipulated by outside forces. So, that disproves the theory that Cyndane is weaker than Lanfear because the DO is shielding part of her strength (which I'm glad to see disproven - I've always thought that was highly unlikely).

What's interesting here is the BS originally thought Cyndane should be very weak. The only thing I can think of that would make him think that is because her ability to channel has been Healed (by a woman), and he was likening her reduction in strength to what happened to Siuan and Leane. What other reason would BS have for thinking Cyndane should be very weak?

If my reasoning above is correct, then we can use that as evidence that Cyndane has had her ability to channel Healed by a woman (meaning she was either Stilled, or perhaps burned out, at some point), and that BS was simply wrong (originally) about what her resulting strength should be (until Maria clarified the issue for him). Yet, BS wasn't 100% sure about the burned out / transmigration issue. It's very puzzling.

If I'm right that BS's answers to these questions mean that Cyndane's ability to channel has been Healed, then the only scenario I can think of that allows for that AND explains why she has a new body is the following:

1. Lanfear was Stilled, not Burned Out, when Mo tackled her through the doorway.

2. She later died, after being held by the 'Finn for awhile.

3. The DO transmigrated her into the Cyndane body, but she remained Stilled.

4. She was then Healed by a woman, to her current strength (i.e. less than Lanfear, but greater than Graendal).

So, BS was only mostly certain, but not 100% certain, about the Burned Out / Transmigration issue because Lanfear was Stilled, not Burned Out, and he wasn't 100% sure that the two situations were identical in terms of the Transmigration issue.

Thoughts?

Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. - 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM 2681 Views
It was discussed - 20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM 1052 Views
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Maybe... - 20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM 774 Views
Re: Maybe... - 20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM 805 Views
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Plausible - 20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM 846 Views
Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ... - 20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM 734 Views
LOL ... I hear ya on that - 20/01/2010 10:17:02 PM 816 Views
I'm so pleased this theory is false! - 12/12/2010 05:00:06 PM 676 Views
people didn't like it when I proposed it - 20/01/2010 05:31:18 PM 992 Views
Thanks. - 20/01/2010 08:36:58 PM 868 Views
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I agree, and it seems unlikely that a new "better" method - 20/01/2010 06:07:04 PM 750 Views
It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body... - 20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM 853 Views
I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR. - 20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM 758 Views
I also like that theory - 20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM 802 Views
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You are comparing Male and female strength here - 20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM 828 Views
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Cadsuane isn't too strong - 21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM 760 Views
Actually... - 21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM 747 Views
Re: Actually... - 21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM 794 Views
Sorry, that was the Glossary... - 21/01/2010 08:07:56 PM 682 Views
- 22/01/2010 11:05:23 AM 870 Views
So Glossary or character? - 22/01/2010 10:22:15 PM 545 Views
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Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory... - 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM 749 Views
Agree with both your comments... - 20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM 758 Views
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But seriously... - 21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM 665 Views
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I don't think it has to be so unique... - 21/01/2010 01:13:00 PM 807 Views
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One other tiny thing - 21/01/2010 03:18:03 PM 740 Views
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That's my interpretation, also ... - 21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM 662 Views
Nods in agreement - 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM 815 Views
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Agreed *NM* - 21/01/2010 11:38:43 PM 476 Views
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I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns - 20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM 754 Views
But... - 20/01/2010 07:50:14 PM 796 Views
Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven. - 20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM 1005 Views
That idea has also been disproven ... - 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM 900 Views
Agreed... - 20/01/2010 08:36:47 PM 659 Views
Yeah ... - 20/01/2010 08:43:24 PM 787 Views
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Yeah, the Verin revelation was cool... - 20/01/2010 08:48:53 PM 731 Views
Re: That idea has also been disproven ... - 21/01/2010 05:12:45 PM 727 Views
I think it may be more simple than it seems. - 21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM 847 Views
Doesn't fit with BS's words - 21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM 702 Views
Also ... - 21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM 658 Views
I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything. - 21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM 773 Views
BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM* - 21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM 516 Views
Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. - 21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM 781 Views
Well, actually - 21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM 683 Views
Re: Well, actually - 21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM 712 Views
The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. *NM* - 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM 538 Views
Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything. - 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 996 Views
I agree - 21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM 768 Views
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Re: I agree - 22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM 695 Views
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I think... - 21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM 735 Views
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You are right... - 21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM 726 Views
Re: You are right... - 21/01/2010 07:21:00 PM 820 Views
Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong - 21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM 1036 Views
Indeed, it's pretty idiotic. *NM* - 21/01/2010 08:19:53 PM 414 Views
Dude... - 21/01/2010 08:51:08 PM 766 Views
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Re: Dude... - 22/01/2010 10:21:15 PM 945 Views
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Re: Meh - 22/01/2010 03:09:10 PM 719 Views
Re: Meh - 22/01/2010 04:15:51 PM 733 Views
actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane - 21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM 911 Views
Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential? - 21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM 743 Views
It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM* - 21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM 498 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 21/01/2010 07:03:13 PM 435 Views
That's what I thought. *NM* - 21/01/2010 10:05:38 PM 455 Views

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