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Nope... Shannow Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM
Remember, as far as we know BS only has a strength list with 21 levels on it. By all accounts, he doesn't really know HOW MUCH stronger one channeler is than another. As in, he knows channelers are 1 or 2 or 5 levels stronger than other channelers, but he doesn't know whether they're 25% stronger, 50% stronger or 100% stronger.

So, when BS first made the comment about Cyndane being VERY weak, it was because he still didn't have Maria's understanding of the VAST strength gap between Lanfear and Moiraine.

All BS knew, was that the amount of Power that Lanfear lost, was enough to make Moiraine stronger than say Cadsuane.

So, if BS thought Cadsuane was a pretty strong channeler, say close to Forsaken strength, then he would think that for Moiraine to gain so much, and Lanfear to lose so much, would make Cyndane very weak.

As an example, I believe that if Lanfear has 100 strength, then Cadsuane has around 35 and Moiraine has around 30. But if BS had an incorrect understanding of this, he might have thought that if Lanfear is at 100, then Cadsuane is at 80 and Moiraine is at 50. So, for Moiraine to exceed Cadsuane, she might have to go up to 90, a gain of 40 units of strength. If that same amount had to come off of Lanfear, then Cyndane would now be on only 60 strength.

In reality, however, we know that Moiraine doesn't have to gain much to surpass Cadsuane, and therefore Cyndane doesn't have to be much lower than Lanfear to have transferred that portion of her strength to Moiraine.


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An Arrival

"A little more care with the other cups," the Green said, unperturbed by all the gaping. "Child?" Moiraine returned to the hearth still staring, and Cadsuane went on. "Meilyn is considerably older. When she and I are gone, that leaves Kerene the strongest." Larelle flinched. Did the woman mean to violate every custom in one go? "Am I disturbing you?" Cadsuane's solicitous tone could not have been more false, and she did not wait for an answer. "Holding our silence about age doesn't keep people from knowing we live longer than they. Phaaw! From Kerene, it's a sharp drop to the next five. Five once this child and the Sanche girl reach their potential. And one of those is as old as I am and in retirement to boot."

Note that Cadsuane is stronger than Kerene and there is a "sharp drop" from Kerene to Moiraine. If Cadsuane is one level above Kerene, Kerene is at least 2 levels above Moiraine or it would not be a "sharp drop" ... if Cadsuane is a 65 and Kerene a 60, then Moiraine couldn't be more than a 50. You would have to take 20 points from Lanfear's 100 to make Moiraine stronger than Cadsuane and that makes Cyndane too weak to be stronger than the other FS women.

Even if Cadsuane is a 45 Moiraine would be maybe a 35 at most meaning you'd still have to take 15 points from Lanfear, which is still too much for Cyndane to be stronger than Graendal without making all the other FS women far too weak!


If Moiraine is 30, and Cadsuane is 40, then you only need to take about 15 from Lanfear to make Moiraine stronger than Cadsuane, and only 10 to make her equal to Cadsuane.

The consensus has always been that the likes of Graendal are significantly weaker than Lanfear. Lanfear is most likely around 20% stronger than Graendal.
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