Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
Shishka Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM
Remember, as far as we know BS only has a strength list with 21 levels on it. By all accounts, he doesn't really know HOW MUCH stronger one channeler is than another. As in, he knows channelers are 1 or 2 or 5 levels stronger than other channelers, but he doesn't know whether they're 25% stronger, 50% stronger or 100% stronger.
So, when BS first made the comment about Cyndane being VERY weak, it was because he still didn't have Maria's understanding of the VAST strength gap between Lanfear and Moiraine.
So, when BS first made the comment about Cyndane being VERY weak, it was because he still didn't have Maria's understanding of the VAST strength gap between Lanfear and Moiraine.
But he should have known that Cyndane is stronger than Graendal - that's in the books (from Graendal's own PoV, in fact). That would narrow her level to probably 1 or 2 places on RJ's scale.
I guess he just forgot that part, otherwise he'd have never thought she was "very weak" to begin with.
All BS knew, was that the amount of Power that Lanfear lost, was enough to make Moiraine stronger than say Cadsuane.
So, if BS thought Cadsuane was a pretty strong channeler, say close to Forsaken strength, then he would think that for Moiraine to gain so much, and Lanfear to lose so much, would make Cyndane very weak.
As an example, I believe that if Lanfear has 100 strength, then Cadsuane has around 35 and Moiraine has around 30. But if BS had an incorrect understanding of this, he might have thought that if Lanfear is at 100, then Cadsuane is at 80 and Moiraine is at 50. So, for Moiraine to exceed Cadsuane, she might have to go up to 90, a gain of 40 units of strength. If that same amount had to come off of Lanfear, then Cyndane would now be on only 60 strength.
In reality, however, we know that Moiraine doesn't have to gain much to surpass Cadsuane, and therefore Cyndane doesn't have to be much lower than Lanfear to have transferred that portion of her strength to Moiraine.
So, if BS thought Cadsuane was a pretty strong channeler, say close to Forsaken strength, then he would think that for Moiraine to gain so much, and Lanfear to lose so much, would make Cyndane very weak.
As an example, I believe that if Lanfear has 100 strength, then Cadsuane has around 35 and Moiraine has around 30. But if BS had an incorrect understanding of this, he might have thought that if Lanfear is at 100, then Cadsuane is at 80 and Moiraine is at 50. So, for Moiraine to exceed Cadsuane, she might have to go up to 90, a gain of 40 units of strength. If that same amount had to come off of Lanfear, then Cyndane would now be on only 60 strength.
In reality, however, we know that Moiraine doesn't have to gain much to surpass Cadsuane, and therefore Cyndane doesn't have to be much lower than Lanfear to have transferred that portion of her strength to Moiraine.
If your theory is right about Lanfear losing power to Moiraine, then I see what you mean.
I just think your theory is unlikely. I don't believe the 'Finn have the power to transfer strength in the OP from one channeler to the other (is that what you're suggesting?), and I don't see any other way what you suggest could have happened.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.
-BHT&tM
My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven.
- 20/01/2010 05:12:58 PM
3046 Views
It was discussed
- 20/01/2010 05:27:43 PM
1371 Views
Re: It was discussed
- 20/01/2010 07:09:01 PM
1165 Views
Maybe...
- 20/01/2010 07:15:57 PM
1088 Views
Re: Maybe...
- 20/01/2010 08:53:47 PM
1142 Views
That doesn't really jive with Aran'gar though
- 20/01/2010 09:03:35 PM
1078 Views
But...
- 20/01/2010 09:11:47 PM
1047 Views
I think it's pretty obvious that pretty much any man is going to be
- 20/01/2010 09:41:40 PM
1005 Views
Maybe there is a difference between male souls and female souls ...
- 20/01/2010 09:35:57 PM
1095 Views
Plausible
- 20/01/2010 09:45:21 PM
1192 Views
Actually, I didn't mean to imply that my idea of female strength is related to body size ...
- 20/01/2010 10:10:48 PM
1042 Views
It's NOT due to Stilling or Healing and it's NOT due to Cyndane's weaker body...
- 20/01/2010 06:46:08 PM
1199 Views
I think Moiraine's gaining strength seems a little too LotR.
- 20/01/2010 06:55:34 PM
1140 Views
I think Moraine gaining strength is VERY LotR. That's why I think RJ went with it... *NM*
- 20/01/2010 06:57:39 PM
641 Views
I also like that theory
- 20/01/2010 07:14:20 PM
1119 Views
I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
- 20/01/2010 07:17:59 PM
1116 Views
Cadsuane is considerably stronger than Moiraine
- 20/01/2010 07:31:42 PM
1111 Views
Nope...
- 20/01/2010 07:38:55 PM
1109 Views
I disagree as usual
- 20/01/2010 07:45:29 PM
1025 Views
We don't know the magnitude of what Aes Sedai consider a significant strength difference...
- 20/01/2010 07:54:38 PM
1095 Views
You are comparing Male and female strength here
- 20/01/2010 08:18:45 PM
1148 Views
Why do you misquote Moiraine?
- 20/01/2010 08:39:55 PM
1101 Views
Agreeing to disagree here ... we interpret the evidence differently and it's futile to argue.
- 20/01/2010 08:41:08 PM
1297 Views
Cadsuane isn't too strong
- 21/01/2010 04:19:41 AM
1098 Views
Actually...
- 21/01/2010 05:57:43 AM
1093 Views
Re: Actually...
- 21/01/2010 12:31:53 PM
1119 Views
Re: I think BS's error regarding Cyndane's strength can also be explained by this theory...
- 20/01/2010 07:43:28 PM
1107 Views
Agree with both your comments...
- 20/01/2010 07:46:07 PM
1122 Views
Hmm ... I think maybe BS DID know about Cyndane being stronger than Graendal ...
- 20/01/2010 09:20:31 PM
1086 Views
But seriously...
- 21/01/2010 12:14:16 PM
1000 Views
Re: But seriously...
- 21/01/2010 12:34:18 PM
1183 Views
Also would explain the question of why Moiraine left the angreal on the wagon instead of using it...
- 21/01/2010 02:30:46 PM
1215 Views
I think it makes more sense...
- 21/01/2010 02:34:30 PM
1108 Views
Lanfear would have been toast if Moiraine had the angreal, plus foreknowledge of the confrontation..
- 21/01/2010 02:38:57 PM
1106 Views
In her letter to Thom
- 21/01/2010 02:55:32 PM
1119 Views
That's my interpretation, also ...
- 21/01/2010 04:00:35 PM
1007 Views
Nods in agreement
- 21/01/2010 06:24:59 PM
1144 Views
I always figured Lanfear bargained away some power to escape the Finns
- 20/01/2010 07:37:31 PM
1114 Views
Re: My Lanfear/Cyndane theory has been disproven.
- 20/01/2010 07:51:38 PM
1376 Views
That idea has also been disproven ...
- 20/01/2010 08:19:22 PM
1232 Views
I think it may be more simple than it seems.
- 21/01/2010 04:15:05 PM
1170 Views
Doesn't fit with BS's words
- 21/01/2010 04:27:43 PM
1007 Views
Also ...
- 21/01/2010 04:32:58 PM
972 Views
I don't think BS words or Cyndane's comments really prove anything.
- 21/01/2010 04:42:59 PM
1120 Views
BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out. *NM*
- 21/01/2010 04:46:48 PM
656 Views
Re: BS says that Cyndane is truly weaker. So, this theory is out.
- 21/01/2010 04:49:09 PM
1076 Views
Well, actually
- 21/01/2010 04:54:17 PM
1006 Views
Re: Well, actually
- 21/01/2010 05:11:10 PM
1027 Views
The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.
*NM*
- 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM
696 Views
*NM*
- 21/01/2010 05:24:03 PM
696 Views
Re: The wording is absolutely unambiguous, but I suppose one can argue everything.
- 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
1362 Views
- 21/01/2010 06:07:09 PM
1362 Views
I agree
- 21/01/2010 06:23:34 PM
1103 Views
Re: I agree
- 21/01/2010 07:59:36 PM
1099 Views
Re: I agree
- 22/01/2010 07:23:37 AM
1018 Views
Re: I agree
- 22/01/2010 11:11:55 AM
1185 Views
LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument!
- 22/01/2010 07:41:00 PM
1041 Views
Re: LOL ... I love that you of all people are going to fall back on this argument!
- 22/01/2010 08:05:08 PM
1171 Views
and you have zero evidence that Lanfear is considerably stronger than the others
- 22/01/2010 11:23:11 PM
922 Views
It's also a totally abstruse explanation, though, and therefore certainy wrong.
*NM*
- 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM
899 Views
*NM*
- 22/01/2010 11:55:17 AM
899 Views
I think...
- 21/01/2010 06:46:57 PM
1038 Views
Re: I think...
- 21/01/2010 06:58:49 PM
949 Views
You are right...
- 21/01/2010 07:12:47 PM
1056 Views
Anyone who thinks she's hiding her strength is wrong
- 21/01/2010 08:09:42 PM
1295 Views
actually if one really wants to figure out what happened to Cyndane
- 21/01/2010 07:00:33 PM
1239 Views
Dumb question, but do transmigrated souls need to re-reach their full potential?
- 21/01/2010 06:19:57 PM
1080 Views
It seems like they start out as powerful as they were, but I don't think it's ever been stated *NM*
- 21/01/2010 06:44:45 PM
667 Views
