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Hold on now.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM
Surely Nynaeve would have noticed if the Compulsion started dissipating while she was delving him. Why would Graendal want to make it dissappear after delving? Rand would be on the lookout for Compulsion, so trying to hide it would just make him more suspicious. Besides, even removing simple compulsion will create side effects - look what happened to Elza.


Why would Graendal want to make it dissappear after delving? How about the lack of an evidence trail. As per the removal of simple compulsion and its side effects....we're talking Graendal here. She is the only one in the entire series who is regarded as having a *Talent* for Compulsion. Even the other Forsaken know and acknoweldge this. To underestimate her ability with it is foolish. Do you honestly think that Graendal couldn't make a specific Compulsion weave which would do what she wanted, and then dissipate and have no affects afterwards?


So you want me to believe that Graendal made a weave that hasn't even been hinted at yet, that breaks the rules of compulsion and provides no advantages over normal compulsion? This theory makes even less sense than Graendal predicting Rand would balefire her.


So are you saying that those Deathgate weaves were impossible until Rand/LT busted them out? Creating a whole new weave that the reader hasn't seen before has never been an issue before. Why now?

My theory never said that Graendal had to predict Rand balefiring her. I never said it even once. Instead I said that what would precipitate her leaving was being found out. Each and every female Forsaken has hidden and worked from that vantage point. Something that the men rarely do (Demandred & Asmodean being the exceptions). If all of a sudden, after years of hiding, she's found out....what do you think that she would do? Get out of dodge.

~Jeordam
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So your name is Graendal.... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1921 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 817 Views
She very well... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 1218 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 672 Views
Re: She very well... jiggy - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 1276 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 718 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 834 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 488 Views
Moghedien.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 973 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 968 Views
Yeah..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 1128 Views
Re: Yeah..... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 872 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 1149 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 856 Views
Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 980 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 522 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 1003 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 889 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 854 Views
That's still extremely faint. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 876 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 909 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 871 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 1091 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 982 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 803 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 469 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 640 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 503 Views
The lead up was clumsy because her death scene was rather forced. Libby - 09/02/2010 11:11:21 PM 1059 Views
Yes, pretty much. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 959 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 1255 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 1022 Views
Come on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 1152 Views
IMO Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 948 Views
This could go either way.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 1080 Views
RE: Strength and Compulsion RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM 1083 Views
I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 957 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 982 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 529 Views
Danke for clarification. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 810 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:39:18 AM 963 Views
Its still a game... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:09:42 PM 1017 Views
I could buy... Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:16:43 PM 922 Views
Please, Artsapat - 02/02/2010 10:42:00 AM 935 Views
*ha* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 927 Views
My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused. TaskmasterJack - 02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM 895 Views
So what would you say... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:12:09 PM 902 Views
Wow. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 946 Views
Never underestimate.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 856 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* TaskmasterJack - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 469 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 986 Views
Hah! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 824 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 463 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 1038 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 908 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 1059 Views
I don't mean to make any generalisations about you, and I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:24:34 AM 888 Views
That's ridiculous rAndy aL - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 927 Views
Hold on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 1093 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 908 Views
Re: Hold on now.... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 961 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 875 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. Logain - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 840 Views
Kind of Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 977 Views
I disagree. Gher - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 802 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 1101 Views
Two things come to mind... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 1008 Views
I don't really think this is relevant Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 930 Views
There's a difference.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 995 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 955 Views
*grins* Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 979 Views
But again... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 884 Views
sure we do darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 849 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 835 Views
But here's the thing... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 952 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 841 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. Gher - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 1073 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 830 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 884 Views
Re: ... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 869 Views
But Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 994 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 1142 Views
Hrm Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 1073 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 919 Views
Thanks *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 485 Views
Now try and not lynch me... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 930 Views
But that's not how it happened BlackAdder - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 902 Views
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