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I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM
And heavy Compulsion of the variety Graendal uses is said to be much more damaging.



She doesn't *only* use the heavy Compulsion. When it comes to her pets, she basically whipes their mind and rebuilds with what she wants. That isn't to say that she cannot do subtle forms of Compulsion...as we know that she can, since the other Forsaken acknowledge this.

~Jeordam


I think the "subtler" form she is capable of is more like what's going on with Kerb...He's able to do much more than just adore her, but is still brain damaged to the point where he cannot function (or even survive) once the Compulsion is lifted. My point is simply that EVEN if Graendal used the lightest, subtlest touch of Compulsion we've ever seen there should have been some effect on Ramshalan (sp?) if it were lifted as opposed to if it never existed.
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So your name is Graendal.... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1732 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 740 Views
She very well... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 1043 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 601 Views
Re: She very well... jiggy - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 1052 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 640 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 687 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 421 Views
Moghedien.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 778 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 776 Views
Yeah..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 938 Views
Re: Yeah..... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 726 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 950 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 708 Views
Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 817 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 427 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 756 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 732 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 653 Views
That's still extremely faint. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 737 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 782 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 726 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 909 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 806 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 644 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 402 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 551 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 427 Views
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Yes, pretty much. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 807 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 1070 Views
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Come on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 964 Views
IMO Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 785 Views
This could go either way.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 928 Views
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I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 807 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 810 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 455 Views
Danke for clarification. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 660 Views
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*ha* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 740 Views
My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused. TaskmasterJack - 02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM 751 Views
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Wow. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 795 Views
Never underestimate.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 704 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* TaskmasterJack - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 397 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 834 Views
Hah! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 662 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 367 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 833 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 727 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 896 Views
I don't mean to make any generalisations about you, and I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:24:34 AM 761 Views
That's ridiculous rAndy aL - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 774 Views
Hold on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 939 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 768 Views
Re: Hold on now.... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 772 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 703 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. Logain - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 705 Views
Kind of Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 790 Views
I disagree. Gher - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 661 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 934 Views
Two things come to mind... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 852 Views
I don't really think this is relevant Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 770 Views
There's a difference.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 803 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 799 Views
*grins* Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 817 Views
But again... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 735 Views
sure we do darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 684 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 668 Views
But here's the thing... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 776 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 704 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. Gher - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 918 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 655 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 734 Views
Re: ... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 711 Views
But Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 810 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 977 Views
Hrm Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 883 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 751 Views
Thanks *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 403 Views
Now try and not lynch me... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 777 Views
But that's not how it happened BlackAdder - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 767 Views
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