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Yeah, but... Etzel Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 09:21:51 PM
Ultimately Rand is still always the victor in such Rand vs. a Forsaken climaxes. Therefore - contrary to what RugbyPlayingAshaman said - Rand killing Graendal is consistent with what we saw before; Graendal outsmarting Rand is not.

Ánd Sammael managed to outsmart Graendal in LoC by simply implying that he is Nae'blis..
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So your name is Graendal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 04:38:42 PM 1576 Views
First off.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:51:46 PM 841 Views
Re: First off.... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 05:09:06 PM 626 Views
Nice Sidious - 03/02/2010 05:46:45 PM 726 Views
Well we know she has a weather/temperature warding screen around her palace RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 05:58:27 PM 638 Views
Not really Sidious - 03/02/2010 06:02:27 PM 622 Views
Re: Not really RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 06:12:05 PM 754 Views
There's one other possibility... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:42:25 PM 719 Views
But... Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 01:03:05 AM 594 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:19:56 AM 774 Views
Point granted. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:56:19 AM 790 Views
Read the books Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:47:23 PM 764 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:13:00 PM 809 Views
Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:35:27 PM 682 Views
Yeah, that's why I figured I'd post my Sidious wish-fulfillment theory below . Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 07:44:22 PM 742 Views
Thanks! And I just copy pasted... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:03:21 PM 576 Views
Is it really that plausible? Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:18:25 AM 624 Views
Ahhh, but... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:22:46 AM 685 Views
Re: Ahhh, but... Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:40:40 PM 620 Views
So your name is Robert Jordan Etzel - 03/02/2010 05:53:43 PM 923 Views
But unfortunately and tragically... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 06:01:15 PM 711 Views
This thought is so grotesque... Etzel - 03/02/2010 07:20:20 PM 662 Views
Re: This thought is so grotesque... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 07:40:01 PM 664 Views
Actually no Forsaken has ever beaten or outsmarted Rand in a confrontation before. Etzel - 03/02/2010 08:50:41 PM 662 Views
Uhhh... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:01:57 PM 775 Views
Yeah, but... Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:21:51 PM 622 Views
But I think you're misreading the rules of the game. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:31:40 PM 586 Views
Rand considers... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:10:59 AM 581 Views
I don't think.... Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:11:03 PM 779 Views
O_O RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:25:17 PM 613 Views
Yeah, and this is exactly what we see when Rand kills Graendal with a force of light. *NM* Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:29:08 PM 248 Views
When Rand thinks that he kills.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:34:41 PM 626 Views
Well, then we agree, I also think Graendal is definitely dead! *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:06:31 AM 268 Views
He defeats every Forsaken because he doesn't play their game Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:23:23 AM 715 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:11:51 AM 676 Views
I think there is a sexual dynamic here RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 04:45:49 PM 597 Views
Bingo Sidious - 03/02/2010 06:03:19 PM 688 Views
That is not true.. fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:50:18 PM 757 Views
This was a typical... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:17:56 AM 566 Views
There was nothing typical about it! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:48:16 PM 706 Views
Rand wasn't at all afraid of Graendal Etzel - 04/02/2010 09:22:53 PM 669 Views
Of course he was! Even Nynaeve and Min noticed! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:32:52 PM 732 Views
Re: That is not true.. Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:57:56 PM 842 Views
There's a difference between Semirhage's death & Graendal's (possible) death Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:48:11 PM 854 Views
But RJ/BS brike convention in this book... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:52:44 PM 770 Views
So your name is Basel Gill. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:53:13 AM 636 Views
So your name is Sidious Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:57:46 AM 742 Views
Just use the TARDIS. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 04/02/2010 05:04:52 AM 388 Views
Re: So your name is Sidious Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:48:52 PM 598 Views
You're offering me a throne? Thanks Siddy, you're my favourite archnemesis! Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:16:54 PM 712 Views
A throne of beetles Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:35:58 PM 640 Views
How exactly do you fashion a throne out of live beetles? Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 07:46:42 PM 636 Views
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