There's a difference between Semirhage's death & Graendal's (possible) death
Jeordam Send a noteboard - 04/02/2010 06:48:11 PM
You brought up the question of why was Semirhage's death handed to the reader almost causally, while Graendal's was something else. Semirhage was killed off because ultimately her purpose had been served. Think of how much time was actually spent with Semirhage on screen. For every page of her, we probably have 5 of Graendal. Graendal had complete chapters told from her point of view. Semirhage did not.
Yes, Semirhage's character/reputation were built up for books. She was the Forsaken that make other Forsaken uncomfortable. She was horror personified. Look at what she ultimately did. She was a hair's breath away from completely breaking Rand. She had him dead to rights....and Shaol Ghul bound. She had Rand terrorized to the point that he actually reached out to the Dark One for power.
As for Graendal...what would her death indicate? That Rand all of a sudden was able to outsmart a Forsaken by not playing her game? How do we know that despite everything, that Rand isn't getting played right now? We have zero proof that she's the one who did the Compulsion. Rand uses the absense of a weave as proof. That's much akin to trying to prove a negative.
To use a law example....prove that I didn't open a wot book within the last month. Its extremely difficult to prove a negative...which is why you should attempt to prove a positive. If Rand really wanted to confirm Graendal's death, he should have noted something that she did hours or days ago that he could confirm that she did. Balefire the palace...and then check if it was un-done or not.
~Jeordam
Yes, Semirhage's character/reputation were built up for books. She was the Forsaken that make other Forsaken uncomfortable. She was horror personified. Look at what she ultimately did. She was a hair's breath away from completely breaking Rand. She had him dead to rights....and Shaol Ghul bound. She had Rand terrorized to the point that he actually reached out to the Dark One for power.
As for Graendal...what would her death indicate? That Rand all of a sudden was able to outsmart a Forsaken by not playing her game? How do we know that despite everything, that Rand isn't getting played right now? We have zero proof that she's the one who did the Compulsion. Rand uses the absense of a weave as proof. That's much akin to trying to prove a negative.
To use a law example....prove that I didn't open a wot book within the last month. Its extremely difficult to prove a negative...which is why you should attempt to prove a positive. If Rand really wanted to confirm Graendal's death, he should have noted something that she did hours or days ago that he could confirm that she did. Balefire the palace...and then check if it was un-done or not.
~Jeordam
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So your name is Graendal...
03/02/2010 04:38:42 PM
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Nice
03/02/2010 05:46:45 PM
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Well we know she has a weather/temperature warding screen around her palace
03/02/2010 05:58:27 PM
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There's one other possibility...
03/02/2010 11:42:25 PM
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But...
04/02/2010 01:03:05 AM
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Nope...
04/02/2010 06:19:56 AM
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Point granted.
04/02/2010 06:56:19 AM
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Read the books
04/02/2010 03:47:23 PM
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04/02/2010 06:35:27 PM
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Yeah, that's why I figured I'd post my Sidious wish-fulfillment theory below .
04/02/2010 07:44:22 PM
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So your name is Robert Jordan
03/02/2010 05:53:43 PM
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But unfortunately and tragically...
03/02/2010 06:01:15 PM
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This thought is so grotesque...
03/02/2010 07:20:20 PM
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Re: This thought is so grotesque...
03/02/2010 07:40:01 PM
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Actually no Forsaken has ever beaten or outsmarted Rand in a confrontation before.
03/02/2010 08:50:41 PM
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Uhhh...
03/02/2010 09:01:57 PM
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Yeah, but...
03/02/2010 09:21:51 PM
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But I think you're misreading the rules of the game.
03/02/2010 09:31:40 PM
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O_O
03/02/2010 09:25:17 PM
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Yeah, and this is exactly what we see when Rand kills Graendal with a force of light. *NM*
03/02/2010 09:29:08 PM
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When Rand thinks that he kills....
03/02/2010 09:34:41 PM
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Well, then we agree, I also think Graendal is definitely dead! *NM*
04/02/2010 10:06:31 AM
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That is not true..
03/02/2010 11:50:18 PM
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This was a typical...
04/02/2010 10:17:56 AM
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There was nothing typical about it!
04/02/2010 08:48:16 PM
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Re: That is not true..
04/02/2010 03:57:56 PM
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There's a difference between Semirhage's death & Graendal's (possible) death
04/02/2010 06:48:11 PM
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So your name is Sidious
04/02/2010 12:57:46 AM
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Re: So your name is Sidious
04/02/2010 03:48:52 PM
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You're offering me a throne? Thanks Siddy, you're my favourite archnemesis!
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