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I've posted my thoughts on most of those issues in various places in this discussion. Tom Send a noteboard - 24/04/2010 05:02:44 AM
I was just disappointed that the organizers didn't just take 5 minutes and pound out some questions for a bit more structure (or have the main post a series of questions and a "discuss away!" sort of encouragement).

However, if you would like to have an extended dialogue on any of the points I'd be more than happy to oblige.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Sci-Fi Book Club: SOLARIS by Stanislaw Lem Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:50:45 PM 2052 Views
Roll-Call: Have you read it? Are you reading it? Like it: Yes/NO? *NM* Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:52:00 PM 728 Views
I read it back in January. Tom - 19/04/2010 06:23:29 PM 1325 Views
I read it years ago, and liked it. *NM* Legolas - 19/04/2010 06:41:36 PM 683 Views
I just finished it. Rebekah - 19/04/2010 06:54:49 PM 1311 Views
Well, to be fair, Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:12:17 PM 1249 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 21/04/2010 08:31:51 AM 1460 Views
Re: Well, to be fair, Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:06:06 PM 1186 Views
That was how I felt too. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:39:15 PM 1049 Views
I read it 3 years ago, and liked it. Linda - 19/04/2010 06:58:37 PM 1608 Views
Yes, I read it. Must be something like... eh. it was before the clooney horror movie came out? *NM* jh - 19/04/2010 07:23:15 PM 732 Views
I read it, and liked it. wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:33:16 PM 1318 Views
I plan to Camilla - 19/04/2010 07:41:21 PM 1438 Views
I might re-read it in a few days Larry - 19/04/2010 09:11:35 PM 1236 Views
I'm currently reading it Mark - 20/04/2010 10:00:05 AM 1485 Views
That has always bothered me too. Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:20:56 PM 1138 Views
I am with you on that. It may not be rational or my reasons have to do with vanity Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:18:53 PM 1080 Views
Re: When you look through Lem's page on Solaris covers, that one is the least interesting. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 10:01:50 AM 1187 Views
Indeed Camilla - 11/05/2010 03:02:26 PM 1174 Views
It was a while since I've read it Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:33:44 AM 1155 Views
I have started reading it Camilla - 11/05/2010 11:10:53 AM 1096 Views
Translation: Jacob - 19/04/2010 05:54:57 PM 1377 Views
I read it in Russian, which was very close to the original. Tom - 19/04/2010 06:25:00 PM 1370 Views
I'm not sure now, I think I read it in Dutch. Legolas - 19/04/2010 06:43:30 PM 1277 Views
English translation by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox (1970). Rebekah - 19/04/2010 06:56:54 PM 1250 Views
Translation of a translation, actually. *NM* jh - 19/04/2010 07:22:18 PM 653 Views
Yes, I did read Jake's intro piece there. *NM* Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:23:44 PM 664 Views
I figured you were not accurate enough. jh - 19/04/2010 07:26:54 PM 1240 Views
Pffft. Accuracy is for nerds. Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:31:52 PM 1326 Views
That was the one I read. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 01:43:01 AM 1489 Views
Read a swedish translation back then. jh - 19/04/2010 07:28:14 PM 1154 Views
Yes, the version I read was translated from polish. All the names were intact from the original *NM* Dragonsworn - 20/04/2010 12:17:42 AM 729 Views
I read it in Czech wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:40:05 PM 1499 Views
I also read a Swedish translation. Linda - 19/04/2010 07:41:31 PM 1691 Views
1970 translation from French to English by Joanna Kilmartin and Steve Cox everynametaken - 20/04/2010 02:20:42 AM 1367 Views
I have a different opinion on this. Jacob - 20/04/2010 08:17:06 PM 1266 Views
I've read it in Polish Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:32:33 AM 1077 Views
Re: So it's flat and boring? Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:50:38 PM 1226 Views
Re: Does anyone know why the Polish publishers haven't commissioned another translation? Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 10:04:38 AM 1206 Views
Rights issues, I beieve Larry - 24/04/2010 10:48:53 AM 1252 Views
So 'we' have read the novel in 6 different languages. Jacob - 27/04/2010 09:20:02 PM 1101 Views
I read the English from French translation Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:10:42 PM 1072 Views
This was my general experience as well. Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:53:58 PM 1121 Views
So. Uh. The chick's name was Rheya in the book I read. Not in other translations? Rebekah - 19/04/2010 07:42:16 PM 1253 Views
Her name in the original is Harey, it got changed to Rheya somewhere along the way of the wahooka - 19/04/2010 07:49:33 PM 1248 Views
In Russian it was just Hari, or, more precisely, Хари. *NM* Tom - 19/04/2010 10:28:49 PM 650 Views
I haven't looked into the reasons yet, outside of what would seem obvious, Jacob - 19/04/2010 09:26:11 PM 1253 Views
Re: I think the translators just thought Harey wasn't immediately accessible as a feminine name. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:59:17 AM 1348 Views
That is what I assumed as well. Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:40:45 PM 1151 Views
I probably got more out of it than I first thought. Tashmere - 20/04/2010 11:37:52 PM 1070 Views
Re: I do that too! Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:51:39 PM 1094 Views
It is certainly a book that makes you think... Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:46:31 PM 1103 Views
Literature vs. Genre Fiction Jacob - 21/04/2010 02:33:21 PM 1275 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction lyringlas - 21/04/2010 08:44:24 PM 1267 Views
Re: Literature vs. Genre Fiction Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:19:31 PM 1118 Views
Re: Panorphaeon - 21/04/2010 09:09:02 PM 1205 Views
How do you know Solaris was an advanced intelligence? Tom - 22/04/2010 01:20:35 AM 1144 Views
Fair enough. Panorphaeon - 22/04/2010 09:04:58 PM 1214 Views
But I think that is Lem's point. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:20:18 AM 1201 Views
Good point Tom. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:14:23 AM 1092 Views
It's definitely literature Tom - 22/04/2010 01:19:34 AM 1054 Views
You might be winning me over to your thoughts here. Jacob - 26/04/2010 09:42:33 PM 1038 Views
In all fairness to my opponents, Solaris is one of my strongest cases. Tom - 26/04/2010 10:16:20 PM 1004 Views
As long as you realize... Legolas - 26/04/2010 10:26:00 PM 1072 Views
This is why I sort of float around on this issue. Jacob - 27/04/2010 05:49:39 PM 1157 Views
Re: This is why I sort of float around on this issue. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:15:38 AM 1153 Views
Very well put. Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:51:27 PM 1025 Views
Re: Very well put. Camilla - 17/05/2010 06:53:13 PM 1155 Views
This book is definitely literature. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 02:59:48 AM 1196 Views
Re: This discussion gives me hives. *NM* Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:52:09 PM 617 Views
Understandable. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:31:08 PM 1069 Views
Hmmm Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:18:42 PM 1150 Views
What didn't you enjoy? Jacob - 21/04/2010 09:47:06 PM 1063 Views
I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. Tom - 22/04/2010 01:17:22 AM 1018 Views
This was what I disliked too Ellestra - 22/04/2010 05:46:05 AM 1236 Views
Re: I didn't like the excessive description of the types of clouds on Solaris. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:33:14 AM 1101 Views
Re: I found it made this stark contrast with his descriptions of his own, more human environment. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:56:40 AM 1314 Views
That is an interesting take. Jacob - 27/04/2010 05:53:23 PM 1157 Views
I didn't really find anything difficult about it. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:38:48 AM 1177 Views
The only thing that bothered me... Jacob - 03/05/2010 07:06:42 PM 1284 Views
So, is there really anything to discuss about the story itself? Larry - 22/04/2010 08:55:03 AM 1235 Views
Apparently not. Tom - 22/04/2010 01:38:24 PM 1270 Views
True Larry - 22/04/2010 09:29:53 PM 1096 Views
Point of fact, Jacob - 23/04/2010 02:53:47 PM 1143 Views
Perhaps it's time for a self-reevaluation then Larry - 24/04/2010 10:45:44 AM 1491 Views
They never claimed to have a monopoly on guiding the discussions. I am just happy they are starting Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:51:01 PM 1109 Views
Thank you for telling me how I should prioritize my life, Larry. Jacob - 26/04/2010 04:54:01 PM 1304 Views
At least I am not as quick to repeat the same excuses Larry - 26/04/2010 05:13:08 PM 1462 Views
I was originally gonna reply to your previous post, then decided not to. Guess I will now. Legolas - 26/04/2010 05:42:15 PM 1302 Views
Thank you. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:41:17 PM 1252 Views
Well, when my sleeping is screwed up, interpretations are going to be wonky, it seems Larry - 27/04/2010 06:21:57 PM 1208 Views
One point... Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:34:02 PM 1127 Views
Posting while irritated and about to crash does little good, it seems Larry - 27/04/2010 06:20:19 PM 1216 Views
The delay to the review is my fault. I've got a mostly finished one. I'm just not happy with it. Rebekah - 27/04/2010 07:19:35 PM 1175 Views
It wasn't the review I was irritated about, but thanks for doing it Larry - 27/04/2010 07:39:08 PM 1092 Views
Ah. OK. Rebekah - 27/04/2010 07:47:09 PM 1239 Views
Thanks Larry - 27/04/2010 07:58:54 PM 1123 Views
I'm a bit ambivalent on the merits of this approach of yours. Legolas - 26/04/2010 05:32:19 PM 1082 Views
You highlight my only frustration with the thread. Tom - 26/04/2010 05:48:01 PM 1437 Views
I am mostly just trying the approach out as something a little bit different. Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:23:12 PM 1184 Views
Re: So what do you think about any of those things? Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 08:30:55 PM 1094 Views
I've posted my thoughts on most of those issues in various places in this discussion. Tom - 24/04/2010 05:02:44 AM 1275 Views
Re: I think I'd just like for you to be more proactive and Start A Thread. Danae al'Thor - 24/04/2010 09:50:26 AM 1178 Views
I was sort of being lazy. I'll do so now. *NM* Tom - 25/04/2010 03:20:12 PM 619 Views
A question about Lem. everynametaken - 23/04/2010 03:49:57 AM 1117 Views
I've only read one other book by him, The Cyberiad Larry - 23/04/2010 04:03:19 AM 1227 Views
Re: A question about Lem. Ellestra - 23/04/2010 07:26:18 PM 1245 Views
Thanks. everynametaken - 24/04/2010 06:42:05 AM 1239 Views
Yes Camilla - 24/04/2010 02:43:17 PM 1196 Views
My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem everynametaken - 23/04/2010 02:50:10 AM 1459 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:49:04 PM 1360 Views
Re: About that "worst" thoughts issue. Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:35:48 PM 1268 Views
I came away with the same message you did on the first point. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:46:09 PM 1091 Views
Re: My main thoughts on Solaris by Stanislaw Lem Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:31:32 PM 1225 Views
Re: So I have no team spirit and should be lynched. Danae al'Thor - 23/04/2010 09:41:48 PM 1121 Views
I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:27:34 AM 1102 Views
Solaris was, I hope, better than Avatar. Tom - 25/04/2010 04:54:12 AM 1077 Views
Re: I finally watched Avatar for the first time tonight. Ellestra - 25/04/2010 01:52:19 PM 1133 Views
It had more to do with recognizing mankind's tendency to imposes their ideas on other cultures. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:35:25 PM 1161 Views
Misplaced answer . *NM* Tashmere - 25/04/2010 04:40:27 PM 525 Views
On identity and communication: do we love only ourselves? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:35:34 PM 1145 Views
I did spend a lot of the book speculating on what the planet was trying to do with those supressed Tashmere - 25/04/2010 05:05:38 PM 1211 Views
The argument: (From the text and some thoughts) Jacob - 27/04/2010 06:22:34 PM 1072 Views
Yes Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:10:30 PM 1232 Views
That is a great idea... Jacob - 17/05/2010 06:58:48 PM 1161 Views
Re: That is a great idea... Camilla - 17/05/2010 07:02:44 PM 1191 Views
That settles it. I am going to have to reread it. Tashmere - 13/05/2010 12:23:14 AM 1100 Views
It is interesting you should say that. Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:56:26 PM 1357 Views
That is the second time this week that I have heard something about Derrida. Now I am going to have Tashmere - 13/05/2010 12:02:56 AM 1222 Views
Derrida is great. Camilla - 13/05/2010 10:06:49 AM 1276 Views
Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:40:57 PM 1105 Views
I can't decide. Rebekah - 25/04/2010 03:54:39 PM 1253 Views
An interesting point to consider... everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:41:17 PM 1250 Views
Re: I can't decide. Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:05:21 PM 1048 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:31:58 PM 1237 Views
Ooohhhh. I like that theory. Tashmere - 25/04/2010 11:32:15 PM 1218 Views
Does it make a difference? Jacob - 26/04/2010 07:29:44 PM 1074 Views
Re: Is Solaris alive? Is Solaris sentient? Camilla - 12/05/2010 09:57:05 PM 1236 Views
What do you think the biggest message of the book is? Tom - 25/04/2010 03:47:03 PM 1167 Views
Re: Does he let go of her? How independant is she of him? Danae al'Thor - 25/04/2010 04:07:33 PM 1292 Views
That's an interesting observation. Tom - 26/04/2010 10:23:28 PM 1097 Views
Re: I was telling Tashmere... Danae al'Thor - 11/05/2010 11:05:09 AM 1233 Views
Re: What do you think the biggest message of the book is? everynametaken - 25/04/2010 10:16:16 PM 1149 Views
Communication with the entirely other Camilla - 12/05/2010 10:01:37 PM 1170 Views
Did anyone else do any wondering what their own visitors would take the form of if they were there? Tashmere - 26/04/2010 11:31:27 PM 1085 Views
Actually, no. It was obvious to me. *NM* Tom - 26/04/2010 11:41:22 PM 517 Views
In a way yes. Jacob - 27/04/2010 06:33:43 PM 1189 Views
My father, perhaps. Panorphaeon - 27/04/2010 08:55:18 PM 1076 Views
Ha. Jacob - 27/04/2010 09:16:56 PM 1112 Views
Re: You know, the more I think about it, the more surprised I am everyone only seemed to have one. Danae al'Thor - 10/05/2010 10:08:23 PM 1132 Views
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